Crossbones

[MarvelKnight]

Originally Posted by Fives

I think Crossbones is a good personal villain for Cap so I wouldn't mind seeing him appear in at least another film. Hopefully they don't kill him off at the end of TWS so he can come back later causing trouble for Cap somehow.

I think he'll be around for a couple films at least.

[metaphysician]

I do wonder how they will make Crossbones a challenge for Cap: will he get a superhuman upgrade from some super soldier serum knockoff or the like? Or will he be just a highly skilled human who cheats massively whenever they fight?

[MarvelKnight]

Originally Posted by metaphysician

I do wonder how they will make Crossbones a challenge for Cap: will he get a superhuman upgrade from some super soldier serum knockoff or the like? Or will he be just a highly skilled human who cheats massively whenever they fight?

I get what you're saying as far as their physical match-up. I honestly, wouldn't mind seeing him being just at the most physical peak a human can get without assistance. He still is a master combatant and weapons guy, serum or not. He is a villain, sure he will cheat, but I wouldn't mind seeing him characterized as a pretty good battle strategist himself. It might add a bit more cat-and-mouse feel to it, as what he lacks in physical ability makes up for it with ingenuity, and the like.

Maybe that will make him even more dangerous and extreme and even though he isn't Caps physical equal, every time Cap encounters him, he gets a sense that it could be his last fight because he'll do whatever it takes in addition to being skilled in his own right.

[The Guard]

I just hope he doesn't come across as Bane II (even though he preceded Bane in the comics).

[metaphysician]

I can't really see Crossbones being an epic genius at combat. I think it'd be much more in character for him to be epically *ruthless*, and take deliberate advantage of that. Scatter innocent bystanders about, have bombs ticking away near hostages, that kind of thing.

[SuperSAINT]

frank grillo ‏@FrankGrillo
Training for Capt A has begun. Lift, box and finish w sprints. # No meat gonna make this interesting. #10000hours

[bert19]

the more ruthless he is, the better as far as i'm concerned. Skull was decent, but not enough of a ruthless nut for me. Crossbones can be. I want to see him shoot people and have the implication that he's done much worse (even if we don't see it).

[Webfoot Hero]

Originally Posted by SuperSAINT

frank grillo ‏@FrankGrillo
Training for Capt A has begun. Lift, box and finish w sprints. # No meat gonna make this interesting. #10000hours

No meat? Are they wanting him to not bulk up as much or is he some type of vegetarian?

[LokiDionysos]

Originally Posted by metaphysician

The odds of the Masters of Evil being the villains of Avengers 2 just skyrocketed. There is no way Crossbones is appearing without his master, whoever that is. . . and if either Red Skull or Zemo is appearing, its almost certainly to lead a team of supervillains out for revenge.

I think it could be cool if we see a returning Mandarin as the organizer of a resurrected Hydra. One of the Zemos is pulling Crossbones strings imo if Blackwidow is being included. We know Mandarin may have his hands in AIM already, and AIM could end up being somehow a front for Hydra in the film-verse. I agree this could definitely mean they're setting up the MoE. Hell, they can even use Sterns & Abomination again if they choose. Sterns, Mandarin and Red Skull/Zemo could end up battling for control throughout Avengers 2 under Enchantress' persuasion and advice that each should be calling the shots... leading to Ultron being the biggest threat in the movie somehow. Each villain would think they had a right to lead because Enchantress is there whispering things in their ears, and Thor's.
Sterns is the only one who doesn't succumb in some way to Enchantress. And her and Ultron could be mixed in as the new villains. While Enchantress lets each of the villains who love to call the shots believe they have control. A few of the villains would probably have to die, but if they somehow do this and include Sterns/Leader it may be natural to make him try to fight for power and declare himself the leader, to get his name out in a less cheesy way for the film-verse. Forcing him to fight for power with the returning Red Skull or Zemo, while Mandarin falls to the wayside in his quest for revenge against Tony. Having Sterns trying to be the leader of the MoE, have him promise things to Crossbones for some betrayal against his former employers. I'm saying give Zemo/Red Skull/Mandarin control first but have Leader challenge them halfway through and lead to their downfall while Enchantress just laughs and messes with Thor and Jane Foster. The Avengers think this unexpected attack from all their personal, past & future foes is over. But then Ultron becomes an even bigger threat as they were using him to help stop the masters' plans, before it turns against all of humanity. In my view it's not Loki in a secret deal with newcomer Enchantress that assembles the masters, but instead Kang. Kang assembles the team from all across time and space, featuring a future version of Sterns (which is why he's so power hungry) but would only be revealed at the end where we find out him and Thanos have past and future issues they need to resolve. Kang knows things will not turn out good for the timeline if Thanos gets that scepter back and then later the Gauntlet. Nebula kills and replaces Maria Hill, acting as the Skrull queen with a technology she's seen using in GoTG, starting a secret invasion for Thanos.. Or she's already done it in between GoTG and Avengers 2. In my view Nebula is used to explore some of Thanos' backstory in GoTG but is neither villain nor ally, she's an intergalactic ex-con they come across, who secretly serves Thanos. I really think they'll save Thanos for Avengers 3, and have some of the movies build up to this confrontation. Meaning Thanos may be set up more in GoTG and Avengers 2, but I doubt he'll be the only villain in each. Unless GoTG does set up Thanos in a massive way for Avengers 2. I still think it's more likely we see the MoE and Ultron in Avengers 2.. this leads me to believe time-travel may be needed to collect Red Skull... He was transported into another realm/dimension in the 40's, we don't know yet if he has somehow made it to the present. This is only further complicated by the fact that the portal generated in Avengers seems to only travel one across space/dimensions... If Zemo is used in CA:winter soldier i don't see him returning so soon, strangely if Thanos is used in GoTG as the main villain, then I think that would exclude him from Avengers 2. IMO Red Skull will be returning and Kang or some time-traveller may be involved in assembling the masters.

[SuperSAINT]

Originally Posted by Webfoot Hero

No meat? Are they wanting him to not bulk up as much or is he some type of vegetarian?

So far so good...

[DeGenerate10]

Originally Posted by SuperSAINT

So far so good...

He might've been a good white Nick Fury

[TheVileOne]

Steroids!

[ctsketch]

following frank's twitter for a while now, good to see he's taking the role seriously, and having fun with it...he's taunting Steve rogers

[MarvelKnight]

Originally Posted by DeGenerate10

He might've been a good white Nick Fury

I think you may be right. But come on no one is better than.....

The Hoff.......

[jaqua99]

i hope crossbones will wear that mask!

[terry78]

If Cap wears the cowl, he'll have the mask in some manner.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

i hope crossbones will wear that mask!

It definitely and unequivocally wouldn't be Crossbones without the skull mask.

[*Whiplash*]

I love how Grillo's posting pics of toy Caps and taunting him on Twitter.

[BullMcGiveny]

Crossbones' mask is pretty cool. There's no way he doesn't have it.

[The Overlord]

I wonder if they will tone down Crossbones like they toned down the Red Skull in the last movie?

[BullMcGiveny]

^ In a way, I would imagine so.

I doubt he'll be a rapist neo-Nazi, but I think they'll still keep him as a brutal, remorseless thug. A mercenary, perhaps.

[The Overlord]

Originally Posted by BullMcGiveny

^ In a way, I would imagine so.

I doubt he'll be a rapist neo-Nazi, but I think they'll still keep him as a brutal, remorseless thug. A mercenary, perhaps.

But taking away some of his more brutal personality aspects would likely make him seem kind of bland. If he is a "remorseless thug" but never does anything that is truly evil, what do you have? A villain that has no sympathetic aspects, but is not scary either. If a villain doesn't have any sympathetic qualities, they should be scary, a truly evil villain. Red Skull in the last movie was not scary and his evil deeds paled in comparison with his comic book counterpart. If Crossbones hasn't have some sort of brutal edge that makes him terrifying, it seems like he would be another generic thug, that I would have no reason to care about.

Crossbones doesn't have to be a rapist persay, but he should do something really evil, not just be some generic thug who just tries to punch Captain America and does nothing else of note in the movie.

[PyroChamber]

Originally Posted by BullMcGiveny

Crossbones' mask is pretty cool. There's no way he doesn't have it.

I think the real question is, how long will he get to keep it on?

[The Infernal]

Good question. Hopefully he has it on for a good part of the movie.

[SuperSAINT]

Fair play to Grillo for embracing his Crossbones role with updates on twitter.

Looking forward to seeing him in action.