"You ready for another Bout?"- The Thor/Chris Hemsworth Thread

[jaqua99]

nah. He got powered up 400. They needed some PIS so Thor wouldnt demolish him "{

[BigThor]

^ Yeah it was PIS imo, since Iron Man's armors runs on repulsor energy not electricity.

Besides even if it did, this is lightning summoned by The God of Thunder of all people.

[American Maid]

Originally Posted by violetspike123

Does anyone think it was bs that Ironman didn't get fried when he fought Thor.

That Stark did not get electrocuted is actually quite plausible; the suit would act like a Faraday cage. Planes allow lightning strikes to route through the fuselage. It might be that his suit really ought to have a spike on it for the discharge, but that's a relatively minor detail. (While I previously have asserted that the processors should have been smoked, avionics typically have surge suppressors, etc. So now I'm willing to give him that one. Unless there's the failure I describe below )

What's more of a stretch in my mind is the idea that Stark would have designed the suit to have the capacity for 400% of the suit's rating. It's suboptimal engineering practice. Energy storage means mass (just look in the trunk and under the chassis of any electric or hybrid vehicle) and weight, and weight costs you a lot of energy when you're flying around at below-orbit altitudes (most of the volume of the Saturn V or the shuttle was for fuel for the first small fraction (forget what) of the launch). Engineering is always about tradeoffs, and if he wouldn't normally use the energy (ie, capacity well over 100%), he shouldn't be burdening his suit with having to haul the capacitors around all over everywhere. (And where are those capacitors anyway? Behind his calves?) So he shouldn't have the spare capacity available to be charged up to 400%.

The other gift from the writers is the power bus that they apparently wrote into his suit that would be involved in such a charging system. The energy in a lightning strike is far, far more than whatever 400% of the suit rating is. So if he taps some of it to charge the suit, the rest has to be shunted to ground in a proportion that the charging system could handle. (So this is the part where Jarvis bites it.) But the lightning strike could well overwhelm the path to the capacitors. No one has developed a ground-based system to capture energy from lightning strikes, for example.

So if the charging system gets overwhelmed, then he really does become a man in a metal suit.

And that's just the first lightning strike.

[Smashlilman]

Originally Posted by BigThor

^ Yeah it was PIS imo, since Iron Man's armors runs on repulsor energy not electricity.

Besides even if it did, this is lightning summoned by The God of Thunder of all people.

The suite uses the repulsor energy to create the electricity it needs to run.

What if after Iron fought Whiplash he upgraded his suit to absorb external sources of electricity instead of starting to short circuit like it did in Ironman 2. In the Ironman Extremis comic mallen short circuited Ironman and Ironman had to absorb the ambient heat around him to give his suit a 1% boost in power.

Whiplash starts to short out his suit in this one.

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Mallen short circuits his suit in this one.

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He absorbs the Heat engery at 1:02

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[American Maid]

Originally Posted by Smashlilman

What if after Iron fought Whiplash he upgraded his suit to absorb external sources of electricity instead of starting to short circuit like it did in Ironman 2. In the Ironman Extremis comic mallen short circuited Ironman and Ironman had to absorb the ambient heat around him to give his suit a 1% boost in power.

In the Whiplash clip, it looks like they are trying to represent the flickering you get on your residential lights during a thunderstorm. That flickering results from the interplay of various safety devices throughout the hundreds-of-miles-network activating and then resetting in an attempt to see if the problem was a temporary fault, now cleared. There really wouldn't be an analogous network throughout Iron Man's suit. But it may be that he decides that he should have better paths straight to ground in the event of an external zap.

The other possibility is that they are trying to show some electromagnetic interference (which, come to think of it, is another way Thor can mess with him in the future). So he might upgrade the EMI shielding on the suit. That's plausible.

I wasn't able to find any information about the nature of Mallen's power, other than he can "project arcs of electricity from his hands", which is reflected in the clip you posted.

But "arcs of electricity from his hands" sounds like it would be orders of magnitude less power than a bolt of lightning. So it seems likely to me that even if Stark redesigned his suit to be able to siphon off power during an attack like what we saw Mallen make, it would not mean the suit would be able to do the same with a lightning bolt. I think it would still be too overwhelming.

Now, if he doesn't try to tap the power to recharge himself (and again, it doesn't make sense for him to be hauling around a bunch of storage devices that he ordinarily wouldn't use), he's likely to be okay. It's possible that there isn't enough metal in the suit to route the discharge around him through the suit and to ground (which is what happens with planes). But since he's one of Earth's Mightiest Heroes and they kind of want to keep him around, I'll assume he could survive a direct lightning strike. That's not too much of an assist from the writers.

Transforming heat into electricity while pinned under a car. . .that's a bit more fanciful. He needs some McGuffins from the writers installed into his suit for that.

[violetspike123]

If Captain America hadn't broken up the fight between Ironman and Thor who do you think would have won. My money's own The God of Thunder.

[Bren]

I think that was obvious. Gauntlets crumpled, helmet dinged and that was Thor only starting to get a bit annoyed...

The 'Thor hitting CA' irritated me. How did Thor know it was vibranium, his blow was to all intent and purposes a death strike.

[violetspike123]

Originally Posted by Bren

I think that was obvious. Gauntlets crumpled, helmet dinged and that was Thor only starting to get a bit annoyed...

The 'Thor hitting CA' irritated me. How did Thor know it was vibranium, his blow was to all intent and purposes a death strike.

Now that you mention it that seems a little out of character.

[elizah72]

Originally Posted by violetspike123

Now that you mention it that seems a little out of character.

Well I'm not sure that it is so out of character with Thor of early Thor 1 to be so brash . So he's changed, but not *that* much. Still has a temper.

He also gets a smile when he gets hit and bleeds by Hulk in the hanger, still likes a fight, especially if it's a "challenge" (remember the "that's more like it" line in the Frost giants battle, that's the look he had on his face there).

so with that note, that may be part of the reason why Odin has not handed over the throne yet, he's learned a lot from his exile but still has much to learn.

and how dare he try to *nail* Cap!!!

[violetspike123]

That makes sense.

[American Maid]

Originally Posted by elizah72

Well I'm not sure that it is so out of character with Thor of early Thor 1 to be so brash . So he's changed, but not *that* much. Still has a temper.
.. .
so with that note, that may be part of the reason why Odin has not handed over the throne yet, he's learned a lot from his exile but still has much to learn.

My take on that was that they weren't trying to provide some insight as to his readiness for the throne but rather have a little bit of fun with something that I'm sure some fans have discussed on some message board somewhere: what would happen if Mjolnir connected with vibranium?

Within the context of the story, Thor does not know going into the strike what the vibranium would do, but he certainly would know what Mjolnir would do. So it does kind of seem like he's trying to do significant damage to Midgardians who have thus far shown themselves only to be nuisances, not threats. That does seem out of character to me, especially since he just got done telling Loki how much he loves Midgard. And Loki's scepter isn't around in that scene to explain the departure.

Originally Posted by elizah72

He also gets a smile when he gets hit and bleeds by Hulk in the hanger, still likes a fight, especially if it's a "challenge" (remember the "that's more like it" line in the Frost giants battle, that's the look he had on his face there).

I do like that aspect of his character. Another example from Thor1: "You're big. Fought bigger!"

[metaphysician]

Originally Posted by violetspike123

Does anyone think it was bs that Ironman didn't get fried when he fought Thor.

Its a bit of a deus ex machina, but its a comic appropriate one: one of Tony's regular tricks in the comics when outmatched is "absorb energy from the opponent's attacks."

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by American Maid

My take on that was that they weren't trying to provide some insight as to his readiness for the throne but rather have a little bit of fun with something that I'm sure some fans have discussed on some message board somewhere: what would happen if Mjolnir connected with vibranium?

Within the context of the story, Thor does not know going into the strike what the vibranium would do, but he certainly would know what Mjolnir would do. So it does kind of seem like he's trying to do significant damage to Midgardians who have thus far shown themselves only to be nuisances, not threats. That does seem out of character to me, especially since he just got done telling Loki how much he loves Midgard. And Loki's scepter isn't around in that scene to explain the departure.



I do like that aspect of his character. Another example from Thor1: "You're big. Fought bigger!"

and boom goes the dynamite

[violetspike123]

I hope they introduce or mention the other pantheons.(Olympians,etc)

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by violetspike123

I hope they introduce or mention the other pantheons.(Olympians,etc)

no reason for them to do so. That'd be really cool though. I'd like to see hercules and thor spar

[violetspike123]

yeah herucles vs thor.

[Vartha]

the HERCUTHOR and THORCULES was some awesome stuff man lol tho how you'd transfer written sound effects to live action is something else.

[BoredGuy]

After Iron Man put up a pretty good fight in the forest, my assumption was that Thor knew he was battling people more powerful than regular midgardians. He probably thought Cap would be just as powerful as IM.

seemed to me like he was going for a knockout blow, not a death strike

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by BoredGuy

After Iron Man put up a pretty good fight in the forest, my assumption was that Thor knew he was battling people more powerful than regular midgardians. He probably thought Cap would be just as powerful as IM.

seemed to me like he was going for a knockout blow, not a death strike

Idk. He was definitally Testing ironman out. Cause ironman held his own. At the end of the fight, thor looked *annoyed* and started crushing his armor, dropping him to the ground in 2 punches and stuff.

[steintym]

Originally Posted by BoredGuy

After Iron Man put up a pretty good fight in the forest, my assumption was that Thor knew he was battling people more powerful than regular midgardians. He probably thought Cap would be just as powerful as IM.

That's pretty much what I thought as well. Plus, as far as Thor knew, they were able to take down Loki, so they had to have some level of power.

[Rock Sexton]

Originally Posted by steintym

That's pretty much what I thought as well. Plus, as far as Thor knew, they were able to take down Loki, so they had to have some level of power.

Actually he said they didn't know what they were dealing with ..... so Thor definitely wasn't assuming that.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by Rock Sexton

Actually he said they didn't know what they were dealing with ..... so Thor definitely wasn't assuming that.

And they didn't.

Nor does Thor.

Hell, Loki has a better idea on the tesseract than any of them

[American Maid]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

And they didn't.

Nor does Thor.

Hell, Loki has a better idea on the tesseract than any of them

You don't think Odin would have briefed Thor about the power of the Tesseract before he sent him down to Midgard?

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by American Maid

You don't think Odin would have briefed Thor about the power of the Tesseract before he sent him down to Midgard?

yeah I suppose he could have.

But regarding Cap and Ironman, they certainly didn't. As far as they knew it was a source of unlimmited sustanable energy

[elizah72]

I believe the quote to Tony when they first battle on the mountain (if that's what is being referred to here) indicated that Thor was saying that TONY didnt know what he was dealing with (meaning in messing with him and trying to stop him from taking Loki, nothing to do with the Tesseract.)

Thor: Do not touch me again.
Tony Stark: Then don't take my stuff.
Thor: You have no idea what you're dealing with.

unless you are referring to another line I can't think of at the moment.