"You ready for another Bout?"- The Thor/Chris Hemsworth Thread

[Rock Sexton]

Originally Posted by elizah72

I believe the quote to Tony when they first battle on the mountain (if that's what is being referred to here) indicated that Thor was saying that TONY didnt know what he was dealing with (meaning in messing with him and trying to stop him from taking Loki, nothing to do with the Tesseract.)

Thor: Do not touch me again.
Tony Stark: Then don't take my stuff.
Thor: You have no idea what you're dealing with.

unless you are referring to another line I can't think of at the moment.

No.

Stark said "then don't take my stuff" ..... he was referring to Loki because Thor nabbed him from the Quinjet. That's when Thor responded that Stark didn't know what he was dealing with aka Loki.

[elizah72]

Originally Posted by Rock Sexton

No.

Stark said "then don't take my stuff" ..... he was referring to Loki because Thor nabbed him from the Quinjet. That's when Thor responded that Stark didn't know what he was dealing with aka Loki.

same difference I guess... either way not about the Tesseract. And now that I'm rereading the last few posts, I think something got confused in this conversation somehow. LOL

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by elizah72

I believe the quote to Tony when they first battle on the mountain (if that's what is being referred to here) indicated that Thor was saying that TONY didnt know what he was dealing with (meaning in messing with him and trying to stop him from taking Loki, nothing to do with the Tesseract.)

Thor: Do not touch me again.
Tony Stark: Then don't take my stuff.
Thor: You have no idea what you're dealing with.

unless you are referring to another line I can't think of at the moment.

Originally Posted by Rock Sexton

No.

Stark said "then don't take my stuff" ..... he was referring to Loki because Thor nabbed him from the Quinjet. That's when Thor responded that Stark didn't know what he was dealing with aka Loki.

Originally Posted by elizah72

same difference I guess... either way not about the Tesseract. And now that I'm rereading the last few posts, I think something got confused in this conversation somehow. LOL

ya. I wasn't refferring to a quote haha.

I took Stark's comment, was about Loki. Since Thor took him off the quinjet.

Thor's response, you have no idea what you are dealing with, to me, that was about the whole situation, not just Loki. Loki, and what he plans on doing with the tesseract.

My opinion on stark and cap not knowing much about the tesseract has nothing to do with stark and thor's conversation.

I was just refferring to what they ultimately learned about it.

They still don't know WHAT power it is capable of. Nor do we. All we know, is that a mad alien warlord (Thanos) wanted it, and Loki said, "I have seen the true power of the tesseract, and when I wield it-" then thor cut him off..So personally I think in terms of power, and what it is capable of, there is probably more to the tesseract than just being a portal, and a power source. Sorry for not explaining that in my other post, it was late, I was tired lol.

Though, do you guys think Thor knows who Thanos is?

"I have seen the true power of the tesseract, and when I wield it-"

thor cut him off with "Who showed you this power?"

There was some concern in his voice. It wasn't a "I want to know who manipulated my brother" voice,

it was more of a "I have someone in mind, and I hope to god he isn't the one who showed you this" voice

I think we may find out that Odin has had a throw down in the past with Thanos, to which, he told his son, hence Thor's concern in his voice...this would also again support the theory that Odin has taken the IG from Thanos

[American Maid]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

Though, do you guys think Thor knows who Thanos is?

"I have seen the true power of the tesseract, and when I wield it-"

thor cut him off with "Who showed you this power?"

There was some concern in his voice. It wasn't a "I want to know who manipulated my brother" voice,

it was more of a "I have someone in mind, and I hope to god he isn't the one who showed you this" voice

I think we may find out that Odin has had a throw down in the past with Thanos, to which, he told his son, hence Thor's concern in his voice...this would also again support the theory that Odin has taken the IG from Thanos

Hmmm, good questions!

I imagine Odin has been briefing Thor about the various potential trouble spots in the universe--part of his continuing efforts to groom him to be king. It's possible Thor had several someones in mind and hoped that it wasn't any of them that manipulated his brother. Assuming Thanos ranks in, say, the top 10 universal threats, then I would say yeah, he does know who he is.

Has Odin tangled with Thanos in the books? (Aside from anything in the Simonson arc, I mean) The only reference I could dig up was some story line where Thor goes insane (which I don't suppose they are going to do here )

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by American Maid

Hmmm, good questions!

I imagine Odin has been briefing Thor about the various potential trouble spots in the universe--part of his continuing efforts to groom him to be king. It's possible Thor had several someones in mind and hoped that it wasn't any of them that manipulated his brother. Assuming Thanos ranks in, say, the top 10 universal threats, then I would say yeah, he does know who he is.

Has Odin tangled with Thanos in the books? (Aside from anything in the Simonson arc, I mean) The only reference I could dig up was some story line where Thor goes insane (which I don't suppose they are going to do here )

Oh, given the fact that Thanos has literally destroyed the MU in the comics, i think it's safe to say, even his MCU counterpart is certainly a massive universal threat.

And Odin is no match for Thanos with the IG, way out of his league.

Though without it, he is a little to much I'd say.

The only time I can recall them tangling was during blood and thunder..I THINK..not too sure when it was..

but the fight consisted of thanos blasting odin, and it doing nothing to odin. Odin blasting thanos off his feet. Thanos gets up, speaks, odin blasts him, knocks him back, and down again. Thanos gets up, Thanos' attacks were pretty ineffective.. Odin blasts him, thanos waded through a concentrated blast, only to walk up to Odin. I don't remember what happened after that, but Odin blasted Thanos away again. And he was down. Odin complimented him as a worthy adversary and one of his toughest fights in a while, and asked him if he yields (something like that)

Thanos slowly rises to his feet, and says no. Odin goes wide eyed, then warlock and whoever else show up and explain to Odin that they needed his help.

Thanos didn't really have anything for Odin, he WAS taking Odin's attacks without his shield I THINK...but he didn't have enough power to really bother Odin.

He did as good against Odin as someone who isn't another skyfather could do, in my humble opinion. Though, thanos has been upgraded since then, and I think he would be able to hurt odin, but not enough to defeat him.

But generally Odin>Thanos

Though in the MCU i'd bet it will be the other way around, even without the IG

[herolee10]

That is the tricky thing isn't it? Especially if Surtur is to appear in the third Thor film and be the one that ends up being responsible for Odin's death. I mean how do you go about establishing Thanos as a threat requiring all of the avengers if Odin could just confront with the guy himself but not have the Avengers there if Surtur is strong enough to kill Odin?

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by herolee10

That is the tricky thing isn't it? Especially if Surtur is to appear in the third Thor film and be the one that ends up being responsible for Odin's death. I mean how do you go about establishing Thanos as a threat requiring all of the avengers if Odin could just confront with the guy himself but not have the Avengers there if Surtur is strong enough to kill Odin?

you mean, how do they make thanos a legitimate threat? When Odin is more powerfuul, and in turn, Surtur is more powerful than Odin?

By simply making Thanos more powerful than Odin. With a mind.

Which is why it makes sense to possibly have the whole surtur arc done

[American Maid]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

you mean, how do they make thanos a legitimate threat? When Odin is more powerfuul, and in turn, Surtur is more powerful than Odin?

By simply making Thanos more powerful than Odin. With a mind.

Which is why it makes sense to possibly have the whole surtur arc done

Yeah, I was thinking about that. Maybe they have Surtur kill Odin per the Simonson arc before Thanos moves on Earth (and, I guess, the rest of the universe)

[herolee10]

Well this will all depend on when Thanos is used as a main antagonist for the Avengers and with Guardians of the Galaxy set to debut before the next Avengers film along with the possibility that Thanos will be first better established in that film, that makes me think that Thanos will be a force to be actively reckoned with in the upcoming Avengers Sequel.

Plus, I personally still don't think that we'll have Surtur as the main villain for Thor 2 and that he'll be fully revealed and used in Thor 3.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by herolee10

Well this will all depend on when Thanos is used as a main antagonist for the Avengers and with Guardians of the Galaxy set to debut before the next Avengers film along with the possibility that Thanos will be first better established in that film, that makes me think that Thanos will be a force to be actively reckoned with in the upcoming Avengers Sequel.

Plus, I personally still don't think that we'll have Surtur as the main villain for Thor 2 and that he'll be fully revealed and used in Thor 3.

Personally, I think Thanos will be around for a whiile..Surtur will atleast have a presence. We'll see. I think he is saved for 3 as well. But the synopsis proves otherwise

[BigThor]

Thanos doesn't have to be more powerful than Odin to be a threat, because The Avengers are nowhere near Odin's level of power.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by BigThor

Thanos doesn't have to be more powerful than Odin to be a threat, because The Avengers are nowhere near Odin's level of power.

No, he doesn't. But his point is that if he is someone Odin can handle, why wouldn't Odin just handle it? and if Surtur is even MORE powerful than Odin, killing him, who is in turn far more powerful than Thanos, how can Thanos be considered a legitimate threat if Odin can stop him, along with there being a being powerful enough to kill Odin as well? Not to mention, said being (surtur) wants to destroy the 9 realms. Something Thanos has in mind as well. I think that is the conflict here.

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

Personally, I think Thanos will be around for a whiile..Surtur will atleast have a presence. We'll see. I think he is saved for 3 as well. But the synopsis proves otherwise

I think it's possible that Surtur will have the same presence in TDW that Thanos had in the first Avengers film where his presence and his involvement with the presented main villain of Thor 2 will have a strong influence on what happens and how the villains are motivated in doing what they do.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by herolee10

I think it's possible that Surtur will have the same presence in TDW that Thanos had in the first Avengers film where his presence and his involvement with the presented main villain of Thor 2 will have a strong influence on what happens and how the villains are motivated in doing what they do.

Yeah. Though, I think there will be a bit of a heavier influence. I personally think Surtur may actually have lines in this movie. I am onboard with Surtur being the one to turn Algrim into Kurse. Certainly if they show it happen, they can give this..mystery guy a voice without showing him.

Though I think he will be mentioned by name in the movie.

Only to appear in an after credit scene like this, this is how I see an after credit scene setting up a movie based off the surtur arc from the simonson run:

Its dark..we hear a bang, about 5 or 6 seconds later we hear another bang. Now in this HUGE area, there is fire around, but its not bright enough to see what is in the middle, however we can see a large sillhouette, he is hitting something with a hammer, like he is welding something. It takes say...15 seconds for the camera to make its way to this area, we then see this sillhoutte strike with the hammer 2 or 3 times, the sound of the welding is loud. He then puts down the hammer, and picks up a giant sword, as the sword becomes engulfed in flames, we see the head of this giant being being become engulfed in flames as well, revealing horns, the flames light him up, and we see a read body, though the entire scene is from the back of him, it becomes light enough for anyone to tell that this is the fire demon (hopefully) referenced earlier in the film

[American Maid]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

Its dark..we hear a bang, about 5 or 6 seconds later we hear another bang. Now in this HUGE area, there is fire around, but its not bright enough to see what is in the middle, however we can see a large sillhouette, he is hitting something with a hammer, like he is welding something. It takes say...15 seconds for the camera to make its way to this area, we then see this sillhoutte strike with the hammer 2 or 3 times, the sound of the welding is loud. He then puts down the hammer, and picks up a giant sword, as the sword becomes engulfed in flames, we see the head of this giant being being become engulfed in flames as well, revealing horns, the flames light him up, and we see a read body, though the entire scene is from the back of him, it becomes light enough for anyone to tell that this is the fire demon (hopefully) referenced earlier in the film

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by American Maid

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

is that the sound of the welding!?

[herolee10]

On a side note, with the new batch of photos showing Chris as Thor in England, I believe this will be the first time where we've seen Thor with actual scratches and blood shown on his face while he's fully powered. Now, the Hulk did give him a nosebleed but it was small and Thor wiped it away easily and while Loki did stab him, we never saw the wound after he had taken out the knife.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by herolee10

On a side note, with the new batch of photos showing Chris as Thor in England, I believe this will be the first time where we've seen Thor with actual scratches and blood shown on his face while he's fully powered. Now, the Hulk did give him a nosebleed but it was small and Thor wiped it away easily and while Loki did stab him, we never saw the wound after he had taken out the knife.

yeah. I don't think dark elves are capable of doing that to him. It very well may be against Kurse.

You know something, I may go far ahead and say thor in the mcu may very well be more durable than hulk.

Or atleast, pound for pound, he is definitally more durable

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

yeah. I don't think dark elves are capable of doing that to him. It very well may be against Kurse.

You know something, I may go far ahead and say thor in the mcu may very well be more durable than hulk.

Or atleast, pound for pound, he is definitally more durable

Well Thor is definitely the strongest "reliable" hero within the MCU. Heck, even though the Hulk proved his valor as a hero and valuable member for the team, I think that if SHIELD had to choose between the two on who they'd feel more comfortable working with, it would definitely be Thor.

Plus, Thor's really the only hero that has not been taken to his absolute physical limits yet which can't be said for the other heroes.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by herolee10

Well Thor is definitely the strongest "reliable" hero within the MCU. Heck, even though the Hulk proved his valor as a hero and valuable member for the team, I think that if SHIELD had to choose between the two on who they'd feel more comfortable working with, it would definitely be Thor.

Plus, Thor's really the only hero that has not been taken to his absolute physical limits yet which can't be said for the other heroes.

Yeah, apparently a pissed off Hulk in the carrier isn't it, which says a lot for his durability.

i watched the fight between the two in slow motion, and if you relly slow down and watch it, it becomes clear how clumbsy Hulk is. That first punch the throws at thor, thor dodges it, and hulk almost fell when his punch didn't connect, his back was to thor for a second, after thor hit him, hulk just flailed his arms before thor caught his punch

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

yeah. I don't think dark elves are capable of doing that to him. It very well may be against Kurse.

You know something, I may go far ahead and say thor in the mcu may very well be more durable than hulk.

Or atleast, pound for pound, he is definitally more durable

I don't want those scratches to be from average Dark Elves either, I want them to be from Kurse himself.

[elizah72]

Originally Posted by BigThor

I don't want those scratches to be from average Dark Elves either, I want them to be from Kurse himself.

Naaahhhh... it was probably just-

[xeno000]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

Yeah, apparently a pissed off Hulk in the carrier isn't it, which says a lot for his durability.

i watched the fight between the two in slow motion, and if you relly slow down and watch it, it becomes clear how clumbsy Hulk is. That first punch the throws at thor, thor dodges it, and hulk almost fell when his punch didn't connect, his back was to thor for a second, after thor hit him, hulk just flailed his arms before thor caught his punch

The difference there is that Thor is a seasoned fighter who has been honing his skills for a millennium, whereas Banner/Hulk is a scientist-turned-rage monster who is more of a all-in brawler with no fighting skills other than brute strength. Thor can out-think, outmaneuver and out-fight Hulk, who depends on sheer power.

[American Maid]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

is that the sound of the welding!?

Nah, it's a reference to how the foreshadowing of Surtur was presented in the Simonson run.

This article talks about it as #10 on their list. So just scroll down a little bit on the link to see several panels of it. http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/0...simonson-thor/

Looking at that list again makes me wonder if they might have an opening scene like this too As the article says, it gives the audience a sense of what a huge challenge he'll be to Thor and fam.

[violetspike123]

Why did Thor take cover from jet gunfire. It really bothered me.