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That gif kills me. Everytime.
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though he was a bit chaotic in thor 1, he did manipulate his way to the thrown. I don't want a soft sympathetic loki either, chaotic works perfectly. Chaotic and selfish
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Aw...I think that is so true. Loki is so wrapped up in the fact his true lineage was kept from him that he's forgotten just how well he's been treated by his foster family, even being made a prince when Odin could have just as easily made him a commoner in his court.
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Yeah, I think thats alot of what makes Loki such a good villain.
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I think we've yet to see Loki in his full villainy though. It's like a slow build to the character becoming purely evil I seem to think.
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and unfortunately for Loki, Thanos has taken over the top spot as my favorite villain, and will most likely never yield that position :P Thor will always be my favorite hero though
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![]() MCU Loki: Oh, really? You dull creature! Don't you know, I have an army? Now if you'll excuse me, I have have to destroy Jaquaheim. ![]() ![]() |
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Please, please, can't we all just get along?
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Yep, I figured as much pardner. Yeehaw!!
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"Jaquaheim"--maybe we'll see that instead of one of the other realms
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I was thinking about this, and please tell me what you think, but in terms of Loki becoming full blown evil as he is in the comicbooks, I think that Loki should he die in this movie is sent to Hel despite his death being a redemptive act of sacrifice should send him over the top into madness and anger that his father would have done this to him even after he tried to be heroic. Or that would be the final betrayal in his mind as he sees it when where Loki's soul goes in the afterlife isn't completely Odin's choice since Loki is not an Asgardian.
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However, I really really really really really really really really really really don't think that's the direction they are going in for MCU Loki, at least not for Thor 2. But that's JMO ![]() |
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Malevolent spirit indeed. |
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Ah hah! Just like on that banner for that fictitious movie on the side of that Double Decker Bus.
Let's face it, because of what Loki did during his exile, all the evil things he engaged in willingly for Thanos to gain more power, Odin just cannot be lenient with Loki even if he wanted to, not even after Loki did something out of the earnest inclination to do something right and selfless for a change instead of being selfish. The tragedy of Loki's character arc and the truth of his very existence would be elevated a notch more if this were to happen. If this Moral Sacrifice plot is what's in store for Loki I cannot wait to see how it will all play out, especially between Tom Hiddleston and Anthony Hopkins. Odin's grief should be excruciating to see, especially considering the thoughts going through his head, like whether or not he should have left Loki to freeze to death as a baby. Oh I am hoping that my assumptions are correct because the drama level would be off the scale.
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I would hope that he would dwell more on the regret of not telling Loki of his heritage than the thought of whether he should have left Loki to die. The general thinking is that Odin is more sympathetic in the MCU.
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Whaaaa? Huh? Look! He did it again! Bad MCU Loki! Bad!!!
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Make no mistake: any "redemption" Loki displays in this movie will be purely for show, to weasel out of whatever punishment Odin inflicts upon him for his many, many, many crimes of genocide, slavery, and treason.
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However, that does not mean that other characters might have to face other moral sacrifices. BUt the big one will be Thor's Quote:
THOR: March into Jotunheim as you once did, teach them a lesson, break their spirits so they'll never dare try to cross our borders again! (subjugation through brutality and fear) (when Odin arrives just in time on Jotunheim) THOR: Father! We'll finish them together! (Hm. Sounds kind of like he has genocide on his mind there to me ![]() Back on the bifrost Thor: The Jotuns must learn to fear me, just as they once feared you. (once again, subjugation through brutality and fear) Odin: You are a vain, greedy, cruel boy! (sound like he's describing someone else we know circa Avengers?)... you are unworthy of the loved ones you have betrayed. (betrayal = treason, so what Thor did going down there and violating the truce and starting a war, was a form of treason in Odin's eye ) LOKI: What is this new found love for the Frost Giants? You, who would have killed them all with your bare hands. (Genocide) And we must not forget Kid Thor's: When I'm king, I'll hunt the monsters down and slay them all! Just as you did father. (again, already thinking about committing genocide on the frost giants, and so young. ![]() And Thor has this type of behavior in his personality for 1000 years? How many innocent bystanders likely died due to his hot headed warring ways? How many wars were started because of his hot uncontrollable temper that didnt need to be started. This was clearly his personality for 1000 years, whereas Loki's was as we saw it at the beginning of Thor 1, for 1000 years. So whose personality do you suppose is more likely to be set in stone as nasty and vicious and warlike after all that time? Hm? THOR: I've changed. LOKI: So have I. I could write a whole long thing about Black Widow in regards to this change from bad to good as well, but my point is hopefully coming across without it. And...hey, for the record I really like Thor, I really like Black Widow, I have no problem that they are good guys, and they changed. But when people come in and say that Loki is not allowed to change or be redeemed ever after what he's done, I scratch my head. It's a double standard which I can't understand. Thor and Black Widow changed and are now acting as good guys, yet have (probably) done things just as bad if not worse and for a MUCH longer length of time, and people seem to have zero problem with them being "redeemed". This is not real life, this is a fantasy superhero movie, this is fairy tales, where there is always a chance for the bad guy to see the error of his ways. Because people always want to have hope that this can happen, and that there is good in everyone. Now in the context of real life the "bad guy" will probably not be redeemed or change, which is why we have prisons and the death penalty (which I am oddly enough in support of). But again, this is a fantasy fairy tale story, for our entertainment and wonder, and here there is always a chance for the bad guy to redeem himself or change his ways at least, just as Thor and Black Widow were allowed to do. You may want to check out a few pages back when I talk about Anakin Skywalker's redemption at length. Darth Vader certainly committed some genocide and treason leading up to that, and I dont think anyone had a problem with him redeeming himself in the end. The trilogy would not have been the same without it. Last edited by elizah72; 11-20-2012 at 08:12 AM. |
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