Tom Hiddleston: Loki Redux

[cherokeesam]

Elizah72:

let me give you the short answer first: Loki is traditionally a villain. Thor is traditionally a hero. Period.

That's what people expect to see --- Loki as a villain. It's great that he's got sympathetic qualities (or at least started with them --- he seems to have lost them by the time Avengers begins), but he is a villain; so *nobody* is expecting to see him turn into a hero. Ever. Might as well expect to see Joker turn into a good guy.

And as for comparing Thor's and Loki's motives in slaughtering Frost Giants: Thor's motives are the defense of Asgard and vengeance against Frost Giant incursions. So at least Thor and Odin have "moral superiority" on their side, even if it's debatable. Loki, on the other hand, plotted genocide of the Jotuns *purely* for the reason of making himself look like the greater hero and savior of Asgard. Thor's motive is *selfless* in that he's thinking about the safety of his people; Loki's motive is *selfish* in that he's thinking only about how this will increase his political power.

[American Maid]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

I'm 101% sure that "Moral Sacrifice" applies to the hero, not the villain. It will have nothing to do with Loki's story arc, and everything to do with Thor's.

Originally Posted by Nimloth

agree, that's simply to much attention, the movie called Thor after all.

Just a point of clarification, my comment about moral sacrifice was in reference to comments Godzilla2000 made about choices facing Odin, not Loki:

try as Odin can to rescue [Loki's] soul from eternal suffering there's nothing Odin can do for fear of the other realms revolting against an already weakened Asgard. So Odin has to make the painful decision to let Loki's soul face eternal damnation for the sake of the trillions of lifeforms in all the nine realms.

So the moral sacrifice would be Odin's.

The comment was 1 part nod to and 1 part teasing of Elizah.

[elizah72]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Elizah72:

let me give you the short answer first: Loki is traditionally a villain. Thor is traditionally a hero. Period.

That's what people expect to see --- Loki as a villain. It's great that he's got sympathetic qualities (or at least started with them --- he seems to have lost them by the time Avengers begins), but he is a villain; so *nobody* is expecting to see him turn into a hero. Ever. Might as well expect to see Joker turn into a good guy.

However the Joker did not have the characterization framework that was set in place for Loki in Thor 1. So there is a BIG difference between those characters there. With a character set up like that, anything can happen, all bets are off.

And, being someone who saw Return of the Jedi, in theaters when it was first released. I can tell you that I and I'm sure most people NEVER expected Darth Vader to do what he did. (and I read a lot of Star Wars comics in between films)

And as for comparing Thor's and Loki's motives in slaughtering Frost Giants: Thor's motives are the defense of Asgard and vengeance against Frost Giant incursions. So at least Thor and Odin have "moral superiority" on their side, even if it's debatable. Loki, on the other hand, plotted genocide of the Jotuns *purely* for the reason of making himself look like the greater hero and savior of Asgard. Thor's motive is *selfless* in that he's thinking about the safety of his people; Loki's motive is *selfish* in that he's thinking only about how this will increase his political power.

yes the motives are different, but I would add to Thor's motives a strong desire for blood and war and glory, which does not make him too "morally superior" there. And to Loki I would add the motivation of the shock and horror of just finding out after 1000 years of life that he's one of "the monsters who parents tell their children about at night" and desperately wanting to erase them from existence, in the hopes that, if they no longer exist, it will mean he never has to face *that* reality, or admit it to anyone else. Selfish yes, but not the same as being just about the power, just as Thor's actions are not just about killing all the Jotuns for fun (although again, he certainly looked like he was having fun there! which is again, not so "morally superior" of him )

and I will also add to Loki's motivations there actually, the threat of a war with the Jotuns, which his brother started. As he says to Heimdall as he leaves after visting Laufey "You will open the bifrost to no one, until I have repaired the damage my brother has done" So more motivation here is to stop the Jotuns before they attack Asgard. (not so selfish)

Also, you are forgetting...

Loki: I never wanted the throne, I only wanted to be your equal.

As I've said to jaqua99 I think before about this quote. He is very very angry here, and the jig is up, no need to lie anymore. So this is the truth and so this is a great deal of his motivation at least up until he actually gets to sit on the throne (where I would agree, it changes to more be about being on the throne for him at that point)

[Silvermoon]

First image I think we've gotten of Tom actually on set... saddly, he's bundled up (no way to tell if he's in costume) and he doesn't appear to have his wig/makeup on yet (possibly on his way to his trailer to get that done?) - but maybe, with so many fans scouting out the location now (and everything they've been able to give us with Hemsworth, Eccleston, etc...) we can now actually get a picture/footage of him filming/in costume/makeup/etc....?

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[elizah72]

Originally Posted by Silvermoon

First image I think we've gotten of Tom actually on set... saddly, he's bundled up (no way to tell if he's in costume) and he doesn't appear to have his wig/makeup on yet (possibly on his way to his trailer to get that done?) - but maybe, with so many fans scouting out the location now (and everything they've been able to give us with Hemsworth, Eccleston, etc...) we can now actually get a picture/footage of him filming/in costume/makeup/etc....?

Yay! I guess he wasn't taking time off to grow a goatee after all! LOL Hopefully someone will catch something of him outside in costume now. Great!

[Jenlet]

Originally Posted by elizah72

Yay! I guess he wasn't taking time off to grow a goatee after all! LOL Hopefully someone will catch something of him outside in costume now. Great!

I can see a little scruff in that picture. So either he's returning to set after a break or they let Loki grow some whiskers. I'm sure it's the former.

Anyway, all fingers and toes crossed for Loki pics later! Maybe even with Malekith in the scene!

[elizah72]

Originally Posted by Jenlet

I can see a little scruff in that picture. So either he's returning to set after a break or they let Loki grow some whiskers. I'm sure it's the former.

Anyway, all fingers and toes crossed for Loki pics later! Maybe even with Malekith in the scene!

I thought I saw that too. Would be interesting if Loki grew a beard during his imprisonment though, considering Frost Giants don't have beards. That's some voodoo magic Odin put on him in that case. LOL

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by elizah72

And, being someone who saw Return of the Jedi, in theaters when it was first released. I can tell you that I and I'm sure most people NEVER expected Darth Vader to do what he did. (and I read a lot of Star Wars comics in between films)

Being someone who saw ROTJ in theaters on the original run also, I agree that none of us in the audience expected Vader to kill the Emperor. But difference here being: Vader was an original character, so nobody knew what to expect. Loki, however, has been established as a villain since the 1960s --- even farther back, if you include the myths --- so everybody pretty much expects him to stay that way.

yes the motives are different, but I would add to Thor's motives a strong desire for blood and war and glory, which does not make him too "morally superior" there. And to Loki I would add the motivation of the shock and horror of just finding out after 1000 years of life that he's one of "the monsters who parents tell their children about at night" and desperately wanting to erase them from existence, in the hopes that, if they no longer exist, it will mean he never has to face *that* reality, or admit it to anyone else. Selfish yes, but not the same as being just about the power, just as Thor's actions are not just about killing all the Jotuns for fun (although again, he certainly looked like he was having fun there! which is again, not so "morally superior" of him )

True: Thor is no saint. And it's his arrogance, bloodlust and stupidity that cause Odin to wisely banish him until he learns a little humility. Loki, however, is not afforded a chance at redemption; so it'll be interesting to see if Odin offers him that now at his trial in Thor 2.

and I will also add to Loki's motivations there actually, the threat of a war with the Jotuns, which his brother started. As he says to Heimdall as he leaves after visting Laufey "You will open the bifrost to no one, until I have repaired the damage my brother has done" So more motivation here is to stop the Jotuns before they attack Asgard. (not so selfish)

Well, yeah, but you've got to admit that was just a lie on Loki's part. He just wanted to keep the Bridge closed so that Thor couldn't come back, and/or none of his friends could sneak off to rescue him. And he clearly had no intention to "repair the political damage" --- his next intent was to destroy Jotunheim utterly.

Also, you are forgetting...

Loki: I never wanted the throne, I only wanted to be your equal.

As I've said to jaqua99 I think before about this quote. He is very very angry here, and the jig is up, no need to lie anymore. So this is the truth and so this is a great deal of his motivation at least up until he actually gets to sit on the throne (where I would agree, it changes to more be about being on the throne for him at that point)

Yeah, I agree that the throne was never his first intention. He was always jealous of Thor, but more of his popularity than his political power. It's only in Avengers that you see him really going after a throne; and even there jealousy is probably still involved.

[elizah72]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Being someone who saw ROTJ in theaters on the original run also, I agree that none of us in the audience expected Vader to kill the Emperor. But difference here being: Vader was an original character, so nobody knew what to expect. Loki, however, has been established as a villain since the 1960s --- even farther back, if you include the myths --- so everybody pretty much expects him to stay that way.

Well all the more surprise when he doesn't, hm?

Tom Hiddleston: "The enemy is complacency. What I can promise is that it's not the old recipe reheated in the microwave, it's a new... we're cooking up something very new with the same ingredients so it's exciting"

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Tom is very familiar with the "old recipes" of both the myths and the comics. And I do believe he was referring to that as much as to what's already been done in the films. So... with that in mind, be prepared for anything!

True: Thor is no saint. And it's his arrogance, bloodlust and stupidity that cause Odin to wisely banish him until he learns a little humility. Loki, however, is not afforded a chance at redemption; so it'll be interesting to see if Odin offers him that now at his trial in Thor 2.

It'll be interesting, for sure. And I do think that Odin will afford him a chance at redemption in Thor 2. It may not be up to him how he's punished, but somehow he will. Comics Odin is almost as different from MCU Odin as Comics Loki is to MCU Loki

Well, yeah, but you've got to admit that was just a lie on Loki's part.

Mmm... no I dont have to admit that because I dont believe it. He was newly king with an impending war, why wouldnt he want to stop the war and the potential Asgardian bloodshed that would come with it, as any intelligent leader would.

He just wanted to keep he Bridge closed so that Thor couldn't come back, and/or none of his friends could sneak off to rescue him. And he clearly had no intention to "repair the political damage" --- his next intent was to destroy Jotunheim utterly.

The bolded part I agree with. However, yes he did intend to repair the political damage so there would not be a war, unfortunately the way he intended to do so was a very very misguided bad bad way. But then again, Thor would have just gone down and bashed all their heads in, probably getting some of his friends and army killed at the same time. So who is the smarter one there? (not saying either is right, just saying, one plan has a lot less casualties for the Asgardian team than the other.)

Yeah, I agree that the throne was never his first intention. He was always jealous of Thor, but more of his popularity than his political power. It's only in Avengers that you see him really going after a throne; and even there jealousy is probably still involved.

Well I am delighted to read that I have changed your mind on that, since that is absolutely not what you were saying in the other thread!

[elizah72]

Originally Posted by Silvermoon

First image I think we've gotten of Tom actually on set... saddly, he's bundled up (no way to tell if he's in costume) and he doesn't appear to have his wig/makeup on yet (possibly on his way to his trailer to get that done?) - but maybe, with so many fans scouting out the location now (and everything they've been able to give us with Hemsworth, Eccleston, etc...) we can now actually get a picture/footage of him filming/in costume/makeup/etc....?

I started thinking, oh, too bad they wont film all week due to the Holiday, and then I remembered oh, yeah... That's right, they dont celebrate Thanksgiving over there! LOL

So here's hoping for some Thanksgiving Loki sometime this week.

More of Tom on set, but still not in costume. He's wearing his nice blue interview jacket.



and leaving...

http://instagram.com/p/SRNYkfrDPD

source: https://twitter.com/louise_gaul

[ericadawn16]

I wouldn't call comic book Loki purely evil. Even before his arc with Journey into Mystery which is infinitely more gray than evil, there was the Spider-Man story with Tess Black. Someone who was purely evil wouldn't have cared that much or done that much for a daughter he barely knew and one who didn't know him...he even makes sure she never knows the truth in order to protect her.

Tom Hiddleston even mailed the writer of Journey into Mystery a letter that was published in the last issue about their shared thoughts on Loki.

[Godzilla2000]

Originally Posted by elizah72

MCU Loki: Perhaps another time, my dear... *chuckles*

Yeesh...so typical...it's the story of my life.

Originally Posted by elizah72

and leaving...

http://instagram.com/p/SRNYkfrDPD

Crap, that guy's watermark is blocking Tom's fine tush.

[elizah72]

Just watching that interview again, and at the start she asks, "where is he at emotionally" after Avengers in Thor 2, and that's when Tom gets this funny smirk on his face and laughs and then says "I'm sorry, I'm just thinking of all of the things I'm not allowed to tell you."

Oh my... It just hit me, we are truly in for some surprises with Loki in Thor 2. I mean, if he can't even say anything about where he character is at emotionally? Really? WOW.

[Nimloth]

hey Tom is very well aware of the extent to which fan's speculation might go even about smallest things) And a word from him about Loki is a big thing to discuss.

[Darkness Falls]

Originally Posted by Silvermoon

First image I think we've gotten of Tom actually on set... saddly, he's bundled up (no way to tell if he's in costume) and he doesn't appear to have his wig/makeup on yet (possibly on his way to his trailer to get that done?) - but maybe, with so many fans scouting out the location now (and everything they've been able to give us with Hemsworth, Eccleston, etc...) we can now actually get a picture/footage of him filming/in costume/makeup/etc....?

good to see tom back on set, hopefully it won't be too long til new loki pics get taken

[Godzilla2000]

Oh man I am just interested in seeing Loki's costume in this movie. We've seen what Thor, Sif and Malekith looks like. My guess is that Marvel is trying to figure out a way to handle all the massive influx of enormous fangirl energy that's sure to be released when they see the big reveal.

P.S. While we're still waiting, what do you guys think about this. Wouldn't this song be an awesome choice for a Loki tribute video?

Chevelle - Forfeit

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

If I could figure out the basics of video editing I myself would make a video.

P.S.S. Chevelle is a band that kicks all sorts of arse don't you think?

[Nimloth]

Oh man I am just interested in seeing Loki's costume in this movie. We've seen what Thor, Sif and Malekith looks like. My guess is that Marvel is trying to figure out a way to handle all the massive influx of enormous fangirl energy that's sure to be released when they see the big reveal.

Oh Yessssss!

And yeah, the song is great

[Godzilla2000]

Originally Posted by Nimloth

Oh Yessssss!

And yeah, the song is great

Glad you liked it. Chevelle is a very awesome group. I love their music a lot.

You guys can slap me if you want, but I have this little fantasy want of having a topless Loki poster on my wall.

[Godzilla2000]

This image made me chuckle a bit:

[Jenlet]

Originally Posted by Godzilla2000

Glad you liked it. Chevelle is a very awesome group. I love their music a lot.

You guys can slap me if you want, but I have this little fantasy want of having a topless Loki poster on my wall.

OT: My alarm went off this morning to "Hats off to the Bull". Chevelle is great.

[Godzilla2000]

Originally Posted by Jenlet

OT: My alarm went off this morning to "Hats off to the Bull". Chevelle is great.

I'm sorry to say but that is one song of theirs I do not like at all. It's too evocative of personal things right now. The song I want to wake up to every day and you should too is Forfeit. It describes my feelings for a large group of misguided people perfectly.

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

These people have no right to pass judgement on a man I love very much. In fact they have no right to pass judgement on anybody because their judgement is faulty. Judgement is reserved for God only and that's it.

[elizah72]

New Tom interview...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...n_2190990.html

"Ken established the tone, so we’ve taken the baton and kept running. Alan Taylor is fantastic, one of the men responsible for 'Game of Thrones' which is so of that world, a very grounded, gritty, earthy world where warriors and swords and monsters and magic all meet, so his experience of that has given him a fantastic take on the whole world of Thor.
"I went to a summer screening of a Marvel short film. Ken came and so did Alan, it was very clear how much mutual respect between them and I thought, ‘ok, it’s going to be fine.’"

Old but
Tom talking about the need for actors to have compassion for the characters they play.

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

[Godzilla2000]

Damn you Tom and your 50% Scottish charm. That man really needs someone who can control that and stop his charm before he becomes too irresistible.

[elizah72]

Originally Posted by Godzilla2000

Damn you Tom and your 50% Scottish charm. That man really needs someone who can control that and stop his charm before he becomes too irresistible.

Too late.

And going back to something you said a couple pages back, his charm isn't the only thing that appears to be at least 50% Scottish.

Okay I will try to behave myself now. LOL

[xeno000]

Have some gifs of Chris & Tom from The Avengers' Moscow premier. The two of them coordinated both their outfits and their movements.