The SuperHeroHype Forums  

Go Back   The SuperHeroHype Forums > Comic Books > Marvel Comics

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-23-2012, 11:48 PM   #251
Darkness Falls
The Right Amount Of Dirty
 
Darkness Falls's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: brisbane, Australia
Posts: 11,868
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

finally got around to reading this
haven't read marvel for awhile so i wasn't up on recent events as i'm just getting back into them now

i liked it but i didn't like how cyclops was written, granted the darker turn was expected due to the powers of the Phoenix

but even at the start of the book cyclops felt out of character

__________________
General Public: (on seeing tdkr multiple times) You Don't owe these people anymore...... you've given them EVERYTHING!!
DF: *Batman voice*: Not everything......Not Yet

Better Call Saul
Darkness Falls is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 12:28 PM   #252
Panthro
Catman Begins
 
Panthro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Cat's Lair, Third Earth
Posts: 18,119
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by moraldeficiency View Post
Cyke lost any moral high ground when hope went against him and he still tried to force her to do what he wanted.
Cycke lost any moral high ground when he turned the world into his own personal police state.

__________________
SUPERMAN: You know something Bruce? You're not always right.

New 52 Flash SUCKS

Last edited by Panthro; 12-05-2012 at 12:32 PM.
Panthro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 04:49 PM   #253
Manic
User title? USER TITLE?!
 
Manic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Northern California
Posts: 35,551
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

I think you can pinpoint the moment Scott lost any and all moral superiority right around the time he assembled a team of assassins to kill his own son. That crossed the line from him being his usual jerkish self into F*** Ethics territory. Everything from there was just a downward spiral, with AvX being the moment he finally hit the bottom.

Manic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 04:53 PM   #254
Mad Ones
Bebe le Strange
 
Mad Ones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: A kingdom in that house on the hill
Posts: 1,505
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Scott forming Utopia isn't morally wrong. I'd move too if my country was passing a eugenics law. And I'm sure Scott would have supported any other leader, but, like he said to Wolverine in Schism, no one else stepped up.

Mad Ones is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 05:00 PM   #255
Havok83
Side-Kick
 
Havok83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 33,698
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by Manic View Post
I think you can pinpoint the moment Scott lost any and all moral superiority right around the time he assembled a team of assassins to kill his own son. That crossed the line from him being his usual jerkish self into F*** Ethics territory. Everything from there was just a downward spiral, with AvX being the moment he finally hit the bottom.
He never assembled Xforce with the purpose of killing Cable

Havok83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 05:45 PM   #256
Manic
User title? USER TITLE?!
 
Manic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Northern California
Posts: 35,551
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

You must have read a different Messiah Complex from the one I read, because I remember him putting together X-Force to kill Cable and bring back the baby, which Charles objected to but was ignored.

Manic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 06:35 PM   #257
runawayboulder
#TheFappening
 
runawayboulder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: On the edge
Posts: 16,065
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by Manic View Post
You must have read a different Messiah Complex from the one I read, because I remember him putting together X-Force to kill Cable and bring back the baby, which Charles objected to but was ignored.
I must have read the same book as Havok83 because I have no friggin clue what you're on about either.

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by C. Lee View Post
This is a message board...no one killed your mother or had sex with your dog.....try to move on in life.
runawayboulder is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 06:52 PM   #258
Havok83
Side-Kick
 
Havok83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 33,698
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by Manic View Post
You must have read a different Messiah Complex from the one I read, because I remember him putting together X-Force to kill Cable and bring back the baby, which Charles objected to but was ignored.
that never happened and I know the scene you are referring to. Xavier said something to the effect of "Scott you sent killers after your son?" Well thats not what Scott did. Just before that he explained that he sent their best trackers and was needed bc Cereba was failing at picking up a signal on Cable & Hope. They werent assembled to kill Cable. Xavier even saying that made no sense bc the only killers on there were Wolverine and X-23. Caliban, James,, Wofsbane and Hepzibah at that point weren't assassins like the next version of X-force would be. There was never any explicit orders on Scott's parts to kill Cable

Havok83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 07:13 PM   #259
Manic
User title? USER TITLE?!
 
Manic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Northern California
Posts: 35,551
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Right, sorry. Scott didn't send the secret team that we would later found out was created specifically to kill the X-Men's enemies to kill Cable. The mind-reader only assumed that. My mistake.

Manic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 07:14 PM   #260
terry78
Heads up, heathen monkeys
 
terry78's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Northwest Indiana
Posts: 60,110
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

The main issue I have is that no matter what Cyclops does, Wolverine will always be in the right regarding it. When was the last time Scott was actually in the right and Logan was wrong? They manage to always turn it around.

__________________
The only thing funnier than watching stupid people argue is watching smart people argue.
-----------
Who the **** makes a movie and while planning it is like, "you know what this needs...is some Greg Kinnear."
terry78 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 08:04 PM   #261
Colossal Spoons
Gotterdammerung
 
Colossal Spoons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: A bar on Oa
Posts: 62,279
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by terry78 View Post
The main issue I have is that no matter what Cyclops does, Wolverine will always be in the right regarding it. When was the last time Scott was actually in the right and Logan was wrong? They manage to always turn it around.
There was never a right/wrong conclusion regarding their disagreement on whether the children should be soldiers or students. Utopia was running smoothly until the Phoenix came.

__________________
Once you get over the need to prove everybody wrong and "correct" opinions you disagree with, the internet becomes a much more pleasant and less frustrating place.
Colossal Spoons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 09:19 PM   #262
Havok83
Side-Kick
 
Havok83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 33,698
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by Colossal Spoons View Post
There was never a right/wrong conclusion regarding their disagreement on whether the children should be soldiers or students. Utopia was running smoothly until the Phoenix came.
I always loved how fitting it was that Hope and the Gen Hope kids had to show up and helped save the day for Logan and his gang during that Exodus arc in Legacy. Wolerine wasnt above using the kids to help him fight when it was convenient for him

Havok83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2012, 10:29 PM   #263
Colossal Spoons
Gotterdammerung
 
Colossal Spoons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: A bar on Oa
Posts: 62,279
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Yeah, do they even take combat lessons at the school?

__________________
Once you get over the need to prove everybody wrong and "correct" opinions you disagree with, the internet becomes a much more pleasant and less frustrating place.

Last edited by Colossal Spoons; 12-06-2012 at 08:07 AM.
Colossal Spoons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2012, 05:32 AM   #264
JewishHobbit
The Hebrew Halfling
 
JewishHobbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Eastern Time Zone
Posts: 25,207
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Wolverine was very against using the kids in that Exodus arc.

JewishHobbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2012, 05:41 AM   #265
Raoul Duke
Banned User
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 226
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

this was probably one of the worst events marvel has ever put out.

Raoul Duke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2012, 06:32 AM   #266
Havok83
Side-Kick
 
Havok83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 33,698
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
this was probably one of the worst events marvel has ever put out.
No, Fear Itself has it beat

Havok83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2012, 06:35 AM   #267
Havok83
Side-Kick
 
Havok83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 33,698
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by JewishHobbit View Post
Wolverine was very against using the kids in that Exodus arc.
yet he still did. It was necessary and despite how he felt about it, he went with it bc he needed them to help stop Exodus. He was the one leading the charge and giving them orders. Thats the point the basis of Scott take on the split. Things happen unexpectedly and you have to prepare the kids for it bc when theres no one else around, they just may have to be the ones to go up against the big bad. Hope pretty much summed it up best



Wolverine is a hypocrite


Last edited by Havok83; 12-06-2012 at 07:48 AM.
Havok83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2012, 06:40 AM   #268
Raoul Duke
Banned User
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 226
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
No, Fear Itself has it beat
well i did say one of the worst events ever. fear itself is also in that category.

Raoul Duke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2012, 07:27 AM   #269
JewishHobbit
The Hebrew Halfling
 
JewishHobbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Eastern Time Zone
Posts: 25,207
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Man, I still think AvX has Fear Itself beat by a landslide.

__________________
Follow my writing career at:

BRADFORDCOMBS.TK
and
AUTHORBRADFORDCOMBS.BLOGSPOT.COM
JewishHobbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2012, 06:52 PM   #270
TheCorpulent1
Pshew!
SHH! Global Moderator
 
TheCorpulent1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 154,397
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
Wolverine is a hypocrite
Wolverine's been a hypocrite for a very long time. Pretty much since they dropped the whole "honorable samurai" side of him.

__________________
"This I grant to you: You may tell your grandchildren that you stood for a time against the mighty Thor."
- Marvel Heroes
TheCorpulent1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2012, 07:05 PM   #271
runawayboulder
#TheFappening
 
runawayboulder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: On the edge
Posts: 16,065
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
No, Fear Itself has it beat
YES

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by C. Lee View Post
This is a message board...no one killed your mother or had sex with your dog.....try to move on in life.
runawayboulder is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2012, 02:18 PM   #272
OcStat
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Arizona
Posts: 913
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

I was interested in picking up the big hardcover, thought it would make a nice bookend to the end of the latest Marvel era. But it was way bigger than I thought and cost 75 bones! Even with the supplemental material I can't swing that.

When can one expect a trade of just AvX 1-12?

OcStat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 04:09 PM   #273
TheCorpulent1
Pshew!
SHH! Global Moderator
 
TheCorpulent1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 154,397
Default Re: Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

Amazon says April 9, 2013.

__________________
"This I grant to you: You may tell your grandchildren that you stood for a time against the mighty Thor."
- Marvel Heroes
TheCorpulent1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:33 PM.

monitoring_string = "dee460792f24517621e3ca080805de7e"
Contact Us - Mobile - SuperHeroHype - ComingSoon.net - Shock Till You Drop - Lost Password - Clear Cookies - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Top - AdChoices


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SuperHeroHype.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.