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Old 11-26-2012, 08:56 PM   #401
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And Silva was just an overgrown mommas boy,c'mon it's not fair to dismiss either performance with such ridiculously simple arguments.

I thought both were great but Bane was more memorable and I found Silva's computer gimmick to be very lacking.Die Hard did that much more convincingly,here Silva's hacking felt more like a plot device than an actual skill.




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Old 11-26-2012, 10:11 PM   #402
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Both films were beautiful works of art. The underwater fight in Skyfall was an awesome concept executed perfectly, and it's one of those films where you can tell the director looked at every page of the script and thought "How can I make this scene as memeorable as possible?" But I still give the edge to TDKR, simply because I think there were two types of cinematography in it; clinical, thriller style for most of the sequences that were set featuring humans, and majestic shots for any scene involving the legends that are Batman, Bane, and Catwoman.

And the rest of the movies still lead me to favor TDKR, because it's my type of movie. I prefer my movies stuffed with plot-lines and characters out the wazoo, I admire Bane just a bit more than Silva because of how inhuman he seemed compared to the very twisted but understandable Silva. Silva was terrifying in a twisted, fallen hero type of way; Bane was terrifying in a hell-spawned animal sort of way. And as much as I like Bond, I like Batman more, especially since he seemed to grow even more as a person in this movie. Bond was (again) back to Bond classic at the end of his movie; Bruce was moving beyond the cowl after proofing there was more to him than the cowl. And the supporting casts also appeal to me more in TDKR. Judi Dench knocks it out of the park, but so does Michael Caine and Anne Hathaway, so sheer quantity of quality overwhelms Skyfall. Severine wasn't really memorable at all, and literally came off as Bond-Girl Mk. III as opposed to a character, and understatement is good, but I'm a man who favors ham and cheese more, so the stiff-upper-lip Englishness of Skyfall doesn't raise it anymore in my eyes.

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Old 11-27-2012, 08:48 PM   #403
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Both films were beautiful works of art. The underwater fight in Skyfall was an awesome concept executed perfectly, and it's one of those films where you can tell the director looked at every page of the script and thought "How can I make this scene as memeorable as possible?" But I still give the edge to TDKR, simply because I think there were two types of cinematography in it; clinical, thriller style for most of the sequences that were set featuring humans, and majestic shots for any scene involving the legends that are Batman, Bane, and Catwoman.

And the rest of the movies still lead me to favor TDKR, because it's my type of movie. I prefer my movies stuffed with plot-lines and characters out the wazoo, I admire Bane just a bit more than Silva because of how inhuman he seemed compared to the very twisted but understandable Silva. Silva was terrifying in a twisted, fallen hero type of way; Bane was terrifying in a hell-spawned animal sort of way. And as much as I like Bond, I like Batman more, especially since he seemed to grow even more as a person in this movie. Bond was (again) back to Bond classic at the end of his movie; Bruce was moving beyond the cowl after proofing there was more to him than the cowl. And the supporting casts also appeal to me more in TDKR. Judi Dench knocks it out of the park, but so does Michael Caine and Anne Hathaway, so sheer quantity of quality overwhelms Skyfall. Severine wasn't really memorable at all, and literally came off as Bond-Girl Mk. III as opposed to a character, and understatement is good, but I'm a man who favors ham and cheese more, so the stiff-upper-lip Englishness of Skyfall doesn't raise it anymore in my eyes.



Yeah. TDKR's was more epic and just had more depth, emotion, and layers to it compared to Skyfall.

Plus there was no Bond girl in this film and having that hot girl in the beginning was just a waste really.

I already knew that agent was actually going to be Money Penny as well.

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Old 11-27-2012, 09:02 PM   #404
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Honestly, I enjoyed Skyfall and Avengers wayy more than I did Dark Knight Rises. I was truly expecting to be blown away in awe with Dark Knight Rises like I was with Begins and Dark Knight, but in the end I was just like "meh it was good but not great".
Snap. But I didn't even think it was good.

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Yeah. TDKR's was more epic and just had more depth, emotion, and layers to it compared to Skyfall.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:48 PM   #406
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Honestly, I enjoyed Skyfall and Avengers wayy more than I did Dark Knight Rises. I was truly expecting to be blown away in awe with Dark Knight Rises like I was with Begins and Dark Knight, but in the end I was just like "meh it was good but not great".
Same here. After the TDKR premier, I didn't say a word to any of the people I went with afterwards as we exited the theater, drove home in silence, and thought about how disappointed I was. After the Skyfall premiere, I could not wipe the ****-eating grin off of my face and ranted and raved about how much I enjoyed the whole experience. I had a similar positive reaction to The Avengers.

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Old 11-28-2012, 11:09 PM   #407
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Not even sure why these are being compared, but since they are...

Skyfall - 9/10
Batman Begins - 8.5/10
The Dark Knight Rises - 8/10
The Dark Knight - 8/10
Casino Royale - 8/10
Quantum of Solace - 7/10

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Same here. After the TDKR premier, I didn't say a word to any of the people I went with afterwards as we exited the theater, drove home in silence, and thought about how disappointed I was. After the Skyfall premiere, I could not wipe the ****-eating grin off of my face and ranted and raved about how much I enjoyed the whole experience. I had a similar positive reaction to The Avengers.
I actually had the semi-opposite feeling as you did. I was pretty much silent after watching Avengers, more or less because I was trying to wrap my mind over that film, so it wasn't because of disappointment, but I was talking up a storm after the midnight showing of TDKR and got into a massive two hour talk with my friend who watched it with me and my gf that night, lol.

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Old 11-28-2012, 11:52 PM   #409
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I'm with Anno on this, with reference to skyfall at least. I felt pretty emotional after TDKR ended that last scene with blake was epic.

As for skyfall i left somewhat amused but not blown away like i expected to after hearing all the talk.

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I walked out of TDKR totally elated. My friends and I had went to a diner and had some epic conversations after the midnight showing, just like we had with TDK 4 years prior. It just ended on such a brilliant series of up notes after a potentially super downer ending.

Unfortunately the Aurora incident kind of put a damper on all the excitement though, before we were ready to come down from that cloud.

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Old 11-29-2012, 08:43 PM   #411
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Avengers was kids stuff compared to TDKR and Skyfall.

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Old 11-29-2012, 08:48 PM   #412
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This is great:



10 Ways Skyfall Borrows From the Dark Knight Playbook

Rumors that Skyfall would borrow the playbook from Christopher Nolanís Batman trilogy and serve up a ďdarkĒ James Bond left some people fuming and others positively buoyant.

The reality is better than either camp had reason to expect: In Skyfall, we get the gritty realism that defined Nolanís bat-flicks and the previous Daniel Craig-starring Bond films, coupled with a colorful villain, a well-rounded protagonist and the compelling storytelling director Sam Mendes brought to American Beauty and Revolutionary Road.

Skyfallís winning combination of sweeping cinematography, keen dialog and the requisite heroís journey, along with traditional 007 staples like a rich score and gorgeous title sequence, let Bond soar to new heights. And even though Mendes has flip-flopped on whether The Dark Knight Rises influenced Skyfall ó first he said it did and then he said it didnít ó thereís an undeniable whiff of bat clinging to the latest 007 film. And thatís a good thing.

Here are some ways the PG-13 Skyfall, which opens Friday in the United States, parallels the Dark Knight trilogy. Some are trivial, others speak to the power of both film franchises.

(Spoiler alert: Plot points from Skyfall and Christopher Nolanís Batman movies follow.)

Pulse-Pounding Opening: Start with a bang. Itís a classic cinematic power play, and a Bond staple. Both The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises hit viewers hard with intense opening sequences that signal, ďYouíre about to see an epic movie.Ē Skyfall does the same, coming out of the gate with a stupendously inventive chase sequence that will make you glad youíre watching the latest Bond on a big screen. (I wish Iíd seen it in Imax.)

Give Mr. Grim a Sense of Humor: For the first time, Skyfall made me actually care about Craigís heretofore dull-eyed take on Ian Flemingís superspy ó the actor loosens up in this film, cracking wise and showing a human side. Itís similar to the way The Dark Knight Rises added a little humor to Christian Baleís scowl-and-cowl performance, but much more effective.

Bring Good Guy Back From the Brink to Save His City: At the beginning of The Dark Knight Rises, Bruce Wayne is depicted as a crippled-up recluse who gimps around his mansion with a cane. Later, he miraculously recuperates from a broken back (while doing a stint in yet another dark hole). In Skyfall, Bond goes missing and is presumed dead, but heís really licking his wounds and playing killer drinking games on a beach somewhere. Heís beaten down and only gets pulled back into the game after a terror attack on his beloved London. (Batmanís motivation, as always, is to save Gotham.)

Put Your Hero in a Hole as a Boy: Bruce Wayne fell into a cave full of bats as a boy, a traumatic experience that made a mark on his psyche. A young James Bond, as revealed in Skyfall (although not actually shown on screen), spent two days in a priest hole after his parentsí death. When he emerged, he was changed forever.

Prove That Orphans Make the Best Crime-Fighters: In Skyfall, spymaster M proclaims that orphans make the best recruits. Anybody who knows Batmanís origin story would have to agree.

Make Him Lord of a Manor: We all knew about stately Wayne Manor, but who knew James Bond had a mansion in the family? In Skyfall, 007 returns to his boyhood home ó a large estate on the Scottish moors. Itís in disrepair, was sold when Bond was missing and presumed dead, but thereís a definite bat-echo in these scenes.

Give the Hero a Hot Set of Wheels: Nolanís Batman has the Tumbler and the Batpod; Bond keeps a vintage Aston Martin DB5 in a secret garage. The first glimpse of the immaculate automobile will get 007 gearheads revving.

Make the Villain Memorable: Can you even remember the names of the villains in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace? I canít without a little Wikipedia memory boost. Casting Javier Bardem as psychotic cyberterrorist Silva might not have been the master stroke of putting Heath Ledger in the Jokerís smeared makeup, but itís damn close: Bardem plays Skyfallís big bad with the same sort of relish, turning Silva into a Bond villain for the ages. This twisted character might have been all camp in a lesser actorís hands. I only wish Bardem had gotten more screen time.

Give us a Peek at Family Gravestones: Both The Dark Knight Rises and Skyfall show their heroesí family burial sites.

End With a Wink at the Future: At the end of The Dark Knight, Nolan played the Joker card. In the final minutes of The Dark Knight Rises, we got a hint at a possible bat-future with a last-minute character reveal. The same sort of thing happens in Skyfall, giving us a glimpse of the franchiseís promising future.


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Old 11-29-2012, 10:33 PM   #413
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Great list of similarities. They missed the obvious one of the nearly identical pace to its 'villain plans his own capture then escapes while stretching and ****' montage. Also the train crashing into a collapsing area. It was incredibly similar in alot of ways, but it was still really good in its own right.

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In my opinion some of those are really reaching. Bond has had a sense of humor dating back to Sean Connery's era.

Bond has always been an orphan, and it's not the first time Craig's movies mentioned that. It was mentioned in Casino Royale, too.

A hot set of wheels.....the Aston Martin DB5 first showed up in Goldfinger in 1964, complete with all the gadgets. It was in Casino Royale, too.

Yes, I remember the villain from Casino Royale. LeChirffe was a great villain.

End with a wink at the future; Bond tracking down Mr. White and shooting him in the leg was the cliffhanger which led into Quantum of Solace.

Pulse pounding opening; I can count on one hand the number of Bond movies that didn't open with some kind of big or exciting action sequence.

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Le Chiffre wasn't that memorable, imo. Any member from Quantum hasn't been very memorable I'd say and that's the thing that actually made Silva a villain to remember because he's been a very different villain in a while. ALTHOUGH...I do hope to see Quantum return soon.

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Avengers was kids stuff compared to TDKR and Skyfall.
I don't know why people like to say that. Avengers does something never been done before by brings major super heroes together in one movie. It didn't need a complex or dark edgy story. If it did, it would have gotten bashed for having a convoluted story with to many plot points going on . Avengers was and still is the best comic book fanboy geek out moment film. The only scene that made me giddy with fanboy glee was the quick sewer battle in Rises.

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Avengers was definitely my second favorite CBM of the year.

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Old 12-04-2012, 01:16 PM   #418
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TDKR is in every way better then Skyfall.Even TASM is better then Skyfall.
TDKR is better because it has a better story,acting,locations

Bond isnt bond anymore.He doesnt really play with the girls,he doesnt really care about gagets anymore and the story of skyfall was really a 1Dimensionel story.

TDKR story is has layers to it.
The ending alone of TDKR is better then the whole skyfall movie.
What if batman wouldnt have gagets anymore and fox would said "We dont do Explosive pens anymore" or something like that? Wouldnt you be pissed?

Skyfall is a boring faillure.

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TAS-M is in no way better than Skyfall.

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Bond isnt bond anymore.He doesnt really play with the girls,he doesnt really care about gagets anymore and the story of skyfall was really a 1Dimensionel story.
Disagreed. He sure is. There are Bond moments all over the place. Toasting his martini to the guards that are about to kill him. Sliding off the elevator ramp and continuing to run, Silva falls. Craig's Bond is more rugged, but it's like wanting Moore to play like Dalton. Every incarnation has their style, but are no less 'Bond'.

He showers with Severine and beds that woman at the start. Shares an intimate shaving session with Eve, where it's alluded something happened after. Bond's reaction to Q shows he wants more than what he's given "it's not exactly Christmas" - so saying he doesn't care about gadgets anymore is false. Q's introduction is very similar to Q's first intro in Dr. No where he's given a PPK and that's it. I thought Whishaw and Craig nailed the scene and I found it humorous. Seeing them meet again in the next movie is going to be fun if he's given something more. "Now that's more like it, Q" - "Those other items did save your life though, did they not?"

I like TASM but it's no way better than Skyfall.

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