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Old 12-06-2012, 06:36 AM   #301
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I think it's gonna be Morbius breaks free from the Raft and perhaps it's him interacting with Spidey since


Also do we still need to hide spoilers for 698 given that 699 is out?

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It doesn't necessarily mean he is Doc Ock. From the looks of it the artist seems to be implying they're two halves of a whole, so it's possible their personalities fuse, creating an edgier Spider-Man so to speak with the desire to still protect people like Peter. It also looks like he's lost some of his powers to me somehow. He needs talons like O'Hara now to climb walls and judging by this interior art...



....Spider-Man has lost his spidey sense. It also appears he wears goggles to protect his eyes. As has been speculated all of this points to O'Hara being the new Spider-Man, but that would be too obvious at this point and wouldn't explains that cover of the Superior Spider-Man kissing MJ. My guess is that somehow in 700 Peter's body loses its powers along with becoming fused with Doc Ock. But since he still wants to protect people, we're shown in Avenging Spider-Man 15.1 (the comic that's being released alongside Amazing 700 and is supposed to give closure to it) he develops a new suit that makes up for his lack of powers. And thus, it would make the "Superior" title an ironic label, since this new version of Spider-Man is actually physically weaker and less "amazing" than the old one...yet you could also say he's mentally superior for still wanting to help people even without his powers.
Yeah, I notice the lack of spider-sense in those images as well. And I also agree that, based on where things stand right now (especially with those linking variant covers for Amazing Spider-Man #700 and Superior Spider-Man #1) it does look very plausible that like we're going to get a Peter Parker/Doc Ock merge a la Firestorm. Especially given how Amazing Spider-Man #699 explains how Doc Ock did the mind swap:

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Notice that Peter says that the gold octobot hacked into his brain and rewrote it with Doc Ock's brain patterns, and then did the reverse to Doc Ock. While the issue doesn't actually state it outright, that technically means that Peter is still Peter, only now he literally thinks like Doc Ock and Doc Ock is still Doc Ock only he now literally thinks like Peter, meaning there wasn't a literal swapping of minds. Because brain patterns are not synonymous with a mind.


So yeah, the Superior Spider-Man being a hybrid of Peter Parker and Doc Ock seems like the strongest possibility at this point. Unless Dan Slott pulls a very out of left field swerve like having Paste Pot Pete be the Superior Spider-Man, of course.

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Notice how in Amazing Spider-Man #699, when Peter begins rifling through Doc Ock's memories to try and come up with an escape plan, one of the things he makes mention of is "robot duplicates?" Hmm...

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I never really looked at it like that before....hmmmmmmm.

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But wait didn't Dan already flat out say that Superior is not Peter Parker? You're saying it may not be 100% Peter but at least 50% of him.

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But wait didn't Dan already flat out say that Superior is not Peter Parker? You're saying it may not be 100% Peter but at least 50% of him.
Yes, but Dan Slott admitted in an interview with Newsarama that Peter Parker not being the Superior Spider-Man could be interpreted in a number of ways as opposed to being a literal statement. So one interpretation could be that the Superior Spider-Man is not just Peter Parker--he's both Peter Parker and Doc Ock. Think of it like what Peter David did in the Incredible Hulk back in the 1990s, in which The Hulk was Bruce Banner's intellect and memories combined with the personality and memories of the Gray Hulk/Mr. Fixit within the body of the Green Hulk.

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Yes, but Dan Slott admitted in an interview with Newsarama that Peter Parker not being the Superior Spider-Man could be interpreted in a number of ways as opposed to being a literal statement. So one interpretation could be that the Superior Spider-Man is not just Peter Parker--he's both Peter Parker and Doc Ock. Think of it like what Peter David did in the Incredible Hulk back in the 1990s, in which The Hulk was Bruce Banner's intellect and memories combined with the personality and memories of the Gray Hulk/Mr. Fixit within the body of the Green Hulk.
But are we not getting something similar to that already with
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Yeah, and that's a good point. Because if you think about it, Dan Slott did kind of use
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Pete did want to bust out the Lizard too once he learned the secret about Connors. 700 is a big issue, they could go back for him later or better yet, the 699.1 preview shows Morbius escaping. Maybe he frees Connors then the Lizard pops up in 700 to help complete the Ock/Pete pairing in 1 body....?

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Yeah, and that's a good point. Because if you think about it, Dan Slott did kind of use
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The man just layed it out for us and sod all of us are picking up on it haha


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Pete did want to bust out the Lizard too once he learned the secret about Connors. 700 is a big issue, they could go back for him later or better yet, the 699.1 preview shows Morbius escaping. Maybe he frees Connors then the Lizard pops up in 700 to help complete the Ock/Pete pairing in 1 body....?

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I think Connors will break out either of his own accord, by accident or by Morbius' doing. The idea of Connors' mind in control of the Lizard I think will play beautifully in this and lend itself to some great interactions when this all comes to a head in 700. I think there's gonna be a last minute switch before superior though. I'm not convinced it's gonna be Ock, though I await being proven wrong. I'm speculating that Peter will end up imprinting himself on someone else's brain or will the villains to knock seven shades of spider out of Ock/Spidey and that will leave him free to trade back. Whatever happens i'm excited and am even picking up Avenging as a result.

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If these all turn out to be red herrings or me just looking too much into things... I will be upset.

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Maybe the Superior Spider-Man is Curt Connors...


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I love how Dan makes everything come full circle... Morbius and Connors were involved 600 issues ago with a fairly major storyline at the time, and it would appear that all these characters, including Spidey's biggest enemies... Dock Ock AND Norman Osborn... will all be around for the finale...


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I did make the call a few weeks ago in a post... that my hunch will be Peter being the new Spider-Man in Norman's body... I still think this will happen in some form or another...



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I love how Dan makes everything come full circle... Morbius and Connors were involved 600 issues ago with a fairly major storyline at the time, and it would appear that all these characters, including Spidey's biggest enemies... Dock Ock AND Norman Osborn... will all be around for the finale...




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Hey TMoB, would you compare this in anyway to what Wolfman did circa ASM 200?

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Hey TMoB, would you compare this in anyway to what Wolfman did circa ASM 200?
Well, Wolfman's run to ASM #200 will always be TOPS in my book because of a couple of reasons... one, it was THAT damn good, and secondly, I was 12/13 years old when I read it, so it just blew my young impressionable mind... and after reading YEARS of what I would call mediocre writing in ALL comics... I really appreciate that stuff even more today...

Yet Dan has crafted a WONDERFUL tale building up to ASM #700, and I can honestly say that this is the MOST excited I've been for a Spider-Man centennial issue since ASM #200... and in this new climate of comic book writers & "made for trades" book writing, what Dan has done is pretty damn impressive.

So I guess the answer to your question would be "Yes"...


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It really does make a lot of sense for Superior to be O'Hara, almost overwhelmingly so. His eyes are sensitive, his suit has talons and even that exact same foot talon that O'Hara's 2099 suit uses, he has that edgy personality they keep talking about Superior will have, and he even lacks spider-sense which Superior also seems to lack. Only thing is that I don't understand where a time travel story fits in here. It would seem random for O'Hara to come from the future and replace Peter in just on issue. Maybe O'Hara's mind is somehow written into Peter's body? Or maybe even Peter recruits O'Hara from the future to replace him somehow?

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I'm not really buying into this O'Hara stuff. We're down to the nitty gritty of this story now. I know 700 is gonna be a huge book but it just seems to me that we're so close to the end now that something like that would be so far out of left.

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I'd actually say anything other than that or Peter fusing with Ock, which doesn't really make sense the more I think about it from a storytelling stand point and from what Slott has hinted thus far, would be further out of left field right now.

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Well, Wolfman's run to ASM #200 will always be TOPS in my book because of a couple of reasons... one, it was THAT damn good, and secondly, I was 12/13 years old when I read it, so it just blew my young impressionable mind... and after reading YEARS of what I would call mediocre writing in ALL comics... I really appreciate that stuff even more today...

Yet Dan has crafted a WONDERFUL tale building up to ASM #700, and I can honestly say that this is the MOST excited I've been for a Spider-Man centennial issue since ASM #700... and in this new climate of comic book writers & "made for trades" book writing, what Dan has done is pretty damn impressive.

So I guess the answer to your question would be "Yes"...

I'll add to TMOB's excitement for 700. While I'm not as big a fan of 200 (my favorites are probably 300 & 400), I'll agree that Dan has done a bang up job and his run rates among my favorite runs ever on the title.

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I'm not really buying into this O'Hara stuff. We're down to the nitty gritty of this story now. I know 700 is gonna be a huge book but it just seems to me that we're so close to the end now that something like that would be so far out of left.
Totally agree. Dan has been laying the seeds for this for 100 issues. And like his entire run, he carefully weaves subplots through out. O'Hara would be so random (not to mention even born yet).

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Umm did you mean 200? Or some other centennial issue?

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Woah, awesome art, but I've never seen Spidey look so scary, you can even see how hard he's scowling in the golden gun pic.

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At the very least, based on the artwork from Superior Spider-Man #6, this seems to suggest that not only do the Avengers realize that the Superior Spider-Man is not Peter Parker, but that Superior Spider-Man won't be Doc Ock pretending to be Peter Parker/Spider-Man either.

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