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Excellent metaphor. Diverse backgrounds help color the universe, allowing for richer, broader, deeper story. Diversity is a part of life, and more of it can be captured if that diversity is used in storytelling, unless exclusion/racism/sexism/etc is part of the story you're telling, like in a period film or something.
I could almost understand if the comics team wasn't about inclusiveness and teamwork, and filled with real-life diverse team members.
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It's a major reason the X-Men really broke out in the 90s, both as a comic and a cartoon
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The notion that there are properties that "don't call for" minority characters is expressly the problem. One that Marvel doesn't appear to agree with, thankfully.
These stories are products of the 60's. Entertainment was certainly less diverse and inclusive at the time; if a minority character appeared they were either a token or a caricature, usually both. Part of adapting these stories for the screen is adapting them for a modern audience - none of these comics, if written for the first time today, would feature all-white casts, and rarely do you see a piece of media that doesn't prominently feature characters of both genders. Sure, why not? |
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Avengers have always been on that "diversity train." The current MCU lineup is just the locomotive driving that train --- there's a ton of cars pulling behind it.
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Where is this argument in favor of an all-white, all-male, non-diverse Marvel Universe even coming from? The comics themselves feature people of color and women and have for decades. The Avengers specifically have had heroes from different backgrounds since the '60s. The team has never been an all-male bastion of lily whiteness. The Wasp was a founding member -- and a female! -- while Black Panther joined in the mid-'60s. Fans who would like to see more diversity are simply asking that the movies reflect the source material.
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![]() You keep saying this but you aren't making sense. The fact remains that the team in the comic books has always had women and minorities. Diversity has been part of the Avengers since their inception. Adding minority characters who have a long and storied comic book history to the movie franchise is simply a natural progression. Or are you going to argue that the Wasp, the Black Panther, the Scarlet Witch, the Falcon, Photon, Ms./Captain Marvel, etc., are just tokens "shoehorned" in to the comics despite the fact that all of them have been associated with The Avengers for decades?
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I'm thinking that I'm Venom has never read or even seen the cover of an Avengers comic book in his life. "They shouldn't add women & minorities to an Avengers movie; just because the Avengers comic book had lots of women & minorities doesn't count" ![]() ![]() ![]()
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I don't necessarily think that anyone is saying that adding characters that are minorities/women to the Avengers roster counts as shoehorning if they were chosen by Whedon for reasons that serve his story directly. However, if he was told he had to include, say Falcon, just to bump up the number of minorities and then had to work out what to do with him after the fact, then I would agree it's unnecessary. Let the storytellers use whatever characters they feel they need to without hampering them with other concerns.
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No major Hollywood film is ever just a story told by a storyteller. There are always secondary concerns that weigh on those involved, and I would argue diversity/audience representation is one of the more valid concerns. One that Whedon himself most likely agrees with and will work toward, given his past work.
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I think Marvel had or has a plan for their minority characters, but Avengers kinda got in the way, so it looks like Phase II is going to be big with sequels to all of the movies (except Hulk) and Guardians of the Galaxy. |
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Why is adding white characters easier to pull off than adding minority characters, Venom?
And before that in the 70s, when they added people of different nationalities, including a black girl. "Diversity: It's not just for black people any more." When X-Men was all white it flopped. Fantastic Four - love 'em, I do, I do - lost their importance and relevance and commercial appeal a while ago. Same, to a lesser degree, with the Justice League. Meanwhile Avengers, X-Men and other ardently diverse properties have continued to flourish and continued to capture the masses just by showing up and looking like the modern world.
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Because it's so challenging to write a character who's not a white American dude...
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my pet peeve:
racists that don't know they are racist.
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The big four are a must: Hulk, Cap, Iron Man, Thor. Black Widow adds a female presence. Hawkeye is unnecessary and could drop from the roster at any point.
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