Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 1

[BullMcGiveny]

I would say that Winter Soldier will be the main villain, but answerable to Zemo/Lukin/???, who will be the true villain, but with less screentime.

In other words, Lukin/Zemo will be Palpitine, and Winter Soldier will be Vader. Similarly, I imagine Bucky's deprogramming happening fairly late in the movie.

Crossbones will be another Lukin/Zemo henchman, possibly his top henchman, but still 'below' Bucky.

[BuckyNat]

Since S.H.I.E.L.D is gonna be present,I think Clay Quartermain should appear maybe partnered up with Jimmy Woo..just my two cents

[KangConquers]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

I don't see him as lead villain. I'm sure they're still using him as Lead Hench, while the actual villain leader has yet to be revealed. Zemo, Zola, or Lukin are the most likely choices there.

They made way too big of a deal of Crossbones casting imo. If he was a minor villain, he would've been cast last minute, the way Arnim Zola is.

I think it's possible they're going the Whiplash route with Crossbones. Taking a minor henchman character and sprucing him up a bit.

[Quasimod0]

Is Stan still playing Bucky?

[Gamma Goliath]

As far as we know.

[BullMcGiveny]

Yes, he is. It was announced a couple of days after the title.

[Hawkingbird]

Originally Posted by BullMcGiveny

Yes, he is. It was announced a couple of days after the title.

[Chewy]

I imagine we'll hear some casting for this next week, once all the "trailers attached to Hobbit" mania blows over

[metaphysician]

I currently place my money on Zemo as the real big bad. Bucky, because of his unusual status, is most likely neither the Big Bad *nor* the Dragon. Rather, Zemo is the Big Bad, Crossbones is his Dragon, and Winter Soldier is his secret weapon. Bucky isn't treated likely an ally, or even a minion, but a living tool, deployed when needed then put back away in a frozen coffin.

[Son of Coul]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. I could even see Crossbones going to "retrieve" Bucky if he's turned back early enough. Or maybe Bucky could go all Darth Vader on him/Zemo toward the end too. Ah dunno, maybe not the best ideas, just the first that come to mind.

[jaqua99]

I would like to ponint out I had a dream I saw this movie last night. Zemo was the villain. However, the last 3rd of the movie, Ultron became the villain. :P

[Hawkingbird]

I think your dream was a bit too ambitious

[BullMcGiveny]

So we can be fairly certain Roger Wardell is full of crap?

[Joeyjojo72]

So do you guys think they're gonna conceal Winter Soldier's true identity til the end? If so, it kind of sucks that the cb fans are all gonna be spoiled before the movie even starts. Unavoidable i guess.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by Hawkingbird

I think your dream was a bit too ambitious

it was an odd dream, I was watching the movie from inside it

Originally Posted by BullMcGiveny

So we can be fairly certain Roger Wardell is full of crap?

Not yet. Not yet. In fact, if Zemo DOES get casted, it only makes roger look better lol.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by Joeyjojo72

So do you guys think they're gonna conceal Winter Soldier's true identity til the end? If so, it kind of sucks that the cb fans are all gonna be spoiled before the movie even starts. Unavoidable i guess.

With it saying "Winter Soldier" right there in the title, I'm sure they're not going to try to go all M. Night Shamalamadingdong and try to save his identity for a "SHOCKING PLOT TWIST!!!" I figure they'll introduce WS first as the hit-man on ice, then have Cap start investigating him early in the movie, and probably discover that it's really Bucky by the end of Act I, say 20-30 minutes in. The middle of the movie will likely deal with Cap trying to break through to Bucky and reprogram him, just in time for them to team up against Zemo (or whoever) in the third reel.

[M-2]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

With it saying "Winter Soldier" right there in the title, I'm sure they're not going to try to go all M. Night Shamalamadingdong and try to save his identity for a "SHOCKING PLOT TWIST!!!" I figure they'll introduce WS first as the hit-man on ice, then have Cap start investigating him early in the movie, and probably discover that it's really Bucky by the end of Act I, say 20-30 minutes in. The middle of the movie will likely deal with Cap trying to break through to Bucky and reprogram him, just in time for them to team up against Zemo (or whoever) in the third reel.

Lol yeah I don't think Winter Soldiers identity will be hidden. I'd say the movie might even open with a awesome assassination carried out by a masked Winter Soldier whereby at the conclusion of the scene he reveals his identity to audience, enter title sequence.

Due to the complexity of the situation SHIELD is called in, with Cap being Cap, he just wants to get on the next mission, so Nick puts him on this, along with Sam Wilson and Sharon Carter.

Act 1 - trying to figure out what's going on, end of the act, first confrontation with Winter Soldier and Cap realizing its Bucky.

Enter Act 2 - Natasha is brought in, she offers up the necessary info on Winter Soldier's past, and just how deadly he is. However according to her intel, at the end of the Cold War, the soviets scrapped such Programs. WS was never again seen until now. Cap and Co then figure out what will WS next move might be, but then Crossbones intervenes, he just makes a mess of things!

Act 3 - Cap finds WS tries to get through to him, but this just puts WS into a world of confusion. leading to a Cap vs WS vs Crossbones! The fight gets interrupted by Zemo. Zemo realizes that WS is no longer of use to him, so he orders his men to freeze him once again. Throughout the film, SHIELD figure out that there was another party involved and the head of this group was led by Phoenix, but Zemo reveals his identity to Cap along with his personally vendetta to kill him. Falcon, Sharon and BW interrupt this, with Falcon taking on Crossbones. WS takes out the guards and frees himself. BW comes face to face with him, and the two face off. Cap goes after Zemo and they have little fight but His smart enough to know his beat, he detonates a bomb In there hideout and escapes with the promise to kill Cap. Cap finds the others and they all escape.

WS enters SHIELD custody, as Bucky still isn't all there.

Or something like that!

[BullMcGiveny]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

Not yet. Not yet. In fact, if Zemo DOES get casted, it only makes roger look better lol.

Well, he did say the villain was cast over two weeks ago, with no other news to the like coming out. So its sort of past the point of credible news.

If if Zemo is cast eventually, it looks more like a guess to me. As does a lot of the stuff he "leaks". Stuff that can't be corroborated for some time.

[BullMcGiveny]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

With it saying "Winter Soldier" right there in the title, I'm sure they're not going to try to go all M. Night Shamalamadingdong and try to save his identity for a "SHOCKING PLOT TWIST!!!" I figure they'll introduce WS first as the hit-man on ice, then have Cap start investigating him early in the movie, and probably discover that it's really Bucky by the end of Act I, say 20-30 minutes in. The middle of the movie will likely deal with Cap trying to break through to Bucky and reprogram him, just in time for them to team up against Zemo (or whoever) in the third reel.

Agreed. I think the suspense will come more from expectation of what'll happen when Steve finds out, rather than a driving question being 'Who is the Winter Soldier?'

I don't expect Bucky to be deprogrammed until the last 20 minutes.

[Hawkingbird]

Yes, that would be a bummer.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by M-2

Lol yeah I don't think Winter Soldiers identity will be hidden. I'd say the movie might even open with a awesome assassination carried out by a masked Winter Soldier whereby at the conclusion of the scene he reveals his identity to audience, enter title sequence.

Due to the complexity of the situation SHIELD is called in, with Cap being Cap, he just wants to get on the next mission, so Nick puts him on this, along with Sam Wilson and Sharon Carter.

Act 1 - trying to figure out what's going on, end of the act, first confrontation with Winter Soldier and Cap realizing its Bucky.

Enter Act 2 - Natasha is brought in, she offers up the necessary info on Winter Soldier's past, and just how deadly he is. However according to her intel, at the end of the Cold War, the soviets scrapped such Programs. WS was never again seen until now. Cap and Co then figure out what will WS next move might be, but then Crossbones intervenes, he just makes a mess of things!

Act 3 - Cap finds WS tries to get through to him, but this just puts WS into a world of confusion. leading to a Cap vs WS vs Crossbones! The fight gets interrupted by Zemo. Zemo realizes that WS is no longer of use to him, so he orders his men to freeze him once again. Throughout the film, SHIELD figure out that there was another party involved and the head of this group was led by Phoenix, but Zemo reveals his identity to Cap along with his personally vendetta to kill him. Falcon, Sharon and BW interrupt this, with Falcon taking on Crossbones. WS takes out the guards and frees himself. BW comes face to face with him, and the two face off. Cap goes after Zemo and they have little fight but His smart enough to know his beat, he detonates a bomb In there hideout and escapes with the promise to kill Cap. Cap finds the others and they all escape.

WS enters SHIELD custody, as Bucky still isn't all there.

Or something like that!

I'm with ya on everything here, except: who is "Phoenix....?"

[Hypestyle]

is this filming yet or when does it start?

[ctsketch]

not filming till next year

[Carlo Comicus]

Too much silence about the casting...

[Joeyjojo72]

well you answered my question. thats my guess as well.

I think they need to revamp the Falcon to make him believable within the MCU. A mechanical harness aint gonna cut it.

Plus they need to explain why flappable wings are better than, say, a supersonic battle suit (Stark isnt the only game in town btw). Furthermore, wouldnt a regular guy with huge wings be a sitting duck for rockets, lasers, gunfire, aircraft,etc.? Im extremely curious to find out how they're gonna make it work.

And no, "light wings" would actually be much much worse.

I'm not a troll btw. I like Sam Wilson as a character, and i think his skill set is a good complement to Cap as well the Avengers and SHIELD. But I dont think the character works "as is" in the MCU.

I expect some major changes to his "powers" and equipment when we see him in Cap 2.