The Dark Knight Rises Plot Holes

[Legion]

Originally Posted by Schrute

I don't think it's really plot holes people are complaining about, but legitimate reasons why they do not like the film overall or think it is the weakest of the trilogy.

-The cell mate healing Bruce and allowing him to climb a pit 3 times, make a return journey to Gotham, and fight Bane again after just being hit in the back.
-Bruce, with no money or resources it appears, being able to get back into Gotham somehow (I believe the main problem with this is that it would have been nice to see a quick 10 second montage of Bruce getting on a plane or ship or something)
-Talia's death scene
-Blake knowing Bruce is Batman by looking at him one day
-Knowing what Bane wants to do, but not really why he wants to do it

These are just some reasons I have seen written on the boards. Now, just because some people see nothing wrong with these, or other, examples doesn't mean they are not a problem. Of course, just because people do see something wrong with these scenes doesn't necessarily mean they are a problem.

But, even if you find nothing wrong with some of the complaints I think they are still valid enough for people to understand why a viewer didn't like the film overall, or why they are still being discussed.

And please, before people say "Well how come people don't complain about Joker doing this, or in BB when this happened..." I think more of TDKR complaints are valid reasons why someone doesn't like the film, compared to TDK where I think it is hard to find people not liking the film because they didn't see how Joker rigged the hospital to blow or whatever.

I just believe some of these examples take away from the overall experience of TDKR for some.

Just my opinion.

So you don't think people should bring up narrative flaws/plot holes from the previous films which may of been over looked due to {insert reason} just because it's your opinion that the flaws are more valid in TKDR?

[Uroboric Forms]

Originally Posted by Deserana

See I wouldn't call this a plot hole. It's illogical sure the way that people are struggling on the ice then Batman walks along in heavy armour with zero trouble but it affects the plot in no way.

The only plot hole I've seen that makes sense is the fact tha Bruce with no money or supplies is able to just appear in Gotham. Seeing as the plot is built around how Gotham is blocked off and being monitored at every angle it doesn't make sense for Bruce to just wonder in but this can be put down to other things (sneak in via the supply truck etc...)

This is one part that we don't need to see. It's already established that Gotham isn't impenetrable, since the special agents get it. Plus Bruce has the underground railroad system that connects to the Batcave so that's one option, as for getting from Morocco or wherever the pit was, even without money, Bruce Wayne would still have friends in high places. Plus he spent a great deal of time traveling the world, so him being savvy in moving long distances with no money makes sense.

[Schrute]

What?

Bring up whatever flaws you want. But when people talk about why they didn't like TDKR and point to specific scenes, I think those scenes truly take away from the experience of the film.

I understand people wanna defend this film and say "well how about what happened in..", but do many of those scenes from BB and TDK really cause that much of a divide as the scenes being discussed in length in TDKR?

[The Guard]

It would be much easier if people would just say "flaws" instead of "plot holes".

[redfirebird2008]

Aren't there already enough threads on this?

[Baramos]

Plot hole is kind of a vague/generic term. It can cover Deus Ex Machina (like Blake just somehow knowing that Bruce is Batman), continuity errors, leaps of logic, improbabilities/impossibilities, etc. This movie has some of all of those, I'm sure.

But it's hard to find movies that don't have some problems in them.

[Legion]

Originally Posted by Schrute

What?

Bring up whatever flaws you want. But when people talk about why they didn't like TDKR and point to specific scenes, I think those scenes truly take away from the experience of the film.

I understand people wanna defend this film and say "well how about what happened in..", but do many of those scenes from BB and TDK really cause that much of a divide as the scenes being discussed in length in TDKR?

What "divide" are you talking about? The TDKR is 88% fresh on rotten tomatoes and 92% of viewers liked it. It's only users on this forum and forums like it that are letting the so called "flaws" ruin the movie for them.

People didn't obsess over the flaws of the TDK because there was more excitement and hype surrounding the release of that film. Long before the TDKR went into production people decided that it was impossible for a third film to surpass the greatness of TDK.

Any negativity directed at TDKR is a direct result from the success of TDK. People were ready to scrutinize and find flaws before the movie was even released.

[JackWhite]

Originally Posted by Legion

What "divide" are you talking about? The TDKR is 88% fresh on rotten tomatoes and 92% of viewers liked it. It's only users on this forum and forums like it that are letting the so called "flaws" ruin the movie for them.

People didn't obsess over the flaws of the TDK because there was more excitement and hype surrounding the release of that film. Long before the TDKR went into production people decided that it was impossible for a third film to surpass the greatness of TDK.

Any negativity directed at TDKR is a direct result from the success of TDK. People were ready to scrutinize and find flaws before the movie was even released.

87%

[storyteller]

Well lets go through it all.

Batman walking along the ice. Well we don't exactly see him sprinting. One can assume that the ice is good to hold him at the spot he's standing, but one certainly can't walk across. Gordon and his men aren't exactly falling through. I know the armor adds extra weight but he's not like 400 pounds heavy. I assume 50?

Bruce sneaking into Gotham? Batman begins was all about how Bruce becomes a ninja. He learns how to sneak in and out of places without being seen. He doesn't need the suit to do that. Also I would assume Bruce is smart enough to have a lot of money off the books invested in other places and in foreign bank accounts. Worse case scenario he uses his ninja skills to get onto planes and stuff. I mean sure you and me would probably be screwed but they spent years showing how he was a ninja. Batman Begins even establishes how members of the league integrate themselves into Gotham. They establish that Bane could get back to Gotham in under a day. Why can't Bruce?

Blake knowing Bruce secret. I think people are putting too much weight on his evidence. People may suspect Bruce is Batman but the way he acts makes people question that. That man got drunk and burned down his house. The man acts like a fool ........this guy can't be THE BATMAN. Now Blake has an idea and has the balls to go to Bruce Wayne and say what he thinks. Bruce see's something in this guy and doesn't deny it. Bruce probably could have dissuaded Blake but human emotion and stuff. So basically Blake had no evidence and Bruce didn't care.

Okay the Dagget thing had me a stumped after the first viewing. Basically Alfred informs Bruce that Bane does merc work for Dagget. So Bruce decides to pay our boy a visit.

Bruce Wayne: You checked that name? Bane?
Alfred: He's a mercenary. No other known names. Him and his men were behind a coup in West Africa that secured mining operations for our friend John Daggett.
Bruce Wayne: Now Daggett's brought them here.

That's why Bruce pays him a visit. Now as to the cops? Bruce booked it out of there and found another roof. Maybe he pulled the lights off trick.

Batmans fight with Bane. Well the mines would probably kill Bane. But honestly Bruce was getting his head knocked around. There was also a pride issue at play. In hindsight he could have tried other tricks but that's what we are observers get. In most conflicts we see, Batman is in control. Bane is taking everything Batman dishes and returns it harder. In the mean time Bane's trash talk and head punches are slowing Batman down. Bruce mistake was underestimating his opponent and he paid the price. Also the nature of the cage was that Batman could not escape.

I don't get the prison argument. There were cops(and the prison guards) around but the bulk were trapped. I don't think most cities have a lot of prisons. Sure there are stations where people get booked. But Blackgate and Arkham are the only major prisons. We can just assume it was all broken up. Just no point in seeing it.

Now as the Joker, that man committed terrorist acts. They probably took him to some state run federal prison not in Gotham. Unlike the comic books, you don't just get sent to the local jailhouse to serve your sentence.

Talia and Bane. Actually I think Banes reaction is that not only is Bruce back but he was able to pull what he did off. The man wasn't physically/mentally defeated. As to why not blow the bomb? Talia wanted Bruce to utterly fail. so she gave him the rest of the time(barring a few minutes at the end). Again pride thing at work here.

Yeah, automatics work best with non moving targets not throwing gas grenades. Their am pretty much hits the ground and seconds later the distance is too close for those weapons to be effective. Many of Banes guys are not trained mercs but are inmates.


I think some of these flaws weren't flaws to me but maybe could have been tackled more explicitly because some people are like that. Maybe Nolan needed a montage of Bruce getting back into the city for slow people who forgot that Bruce was a ninja. Maybe people didn't notice how the pride of quite a few people form the story.

[Hicksatpd]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wooden Alligator

Was the emp canon attached to the Bat at that point? I forget.

I think that thing was toast because the young cop shot it in the tunnels as Batman pursued Bane and his men, right?

Still, that doesn't mean it had to be the only copy, I suppose. But then again, I don't think an emp would do anything to a gun, so it's moot.

[xii22_loop]

- early in the film, Alfred comes down to Bruce in the Batcave and tells him what he has found out about Bane. How was it so easy to research Bane and discover he was trained and exiled by Ra's Al Ghul. Uhhhhhh, is League of Shadows knowledge that accessible? You'd think Bane being part of the League of Shadows or the League's 'past members' isn't something you can't easily find wikipedia information on.

- Talia and Bane's plan. So they themselves would have died in the nuclear blast. What the hell, how will the League of Shadows continue on then? Ra's Al Ghul's original assault on Gotham wasn't a suicide mission, it was to do the League's job of resorting balance, and he and his men wouldn't have died in that process.

[zmystico]

To me, the whole "using stolen fingerprints to falsify stock trades by a group of men with guns" was plot hole; it just seemed illogical that ANY trades that day would be accepted, I mean the building is surrounded by cops and filled with armed men...and a billionaire decides at that point to make a bunch of really bad stock decisions?

[Hawkeye70000000]

Alfred telling Bruce about who bane was could have came from military intelligence. Remember it the beginning the CIA knew about bane. Bane was excommunicated and therefore didn't have the secrecy of the LoS. The LoS will always exist, but it might not be called the league of shadows. While Ra's might have lead the attack on Gotham and been there leader doesn't mean that they didn't have multiple plans and people set aside to lead a new wave of LoS.

The forged fingerprints and stock market thing was never going to last but in the moment of the certain stock trades were altered, it wasn't everyone's. Stopping the trade market and all its transactions would have been an economic nightmare for the city and country. The authorities could sort out what bane did after the fact. Also, they did try to shut it down, but not before bane was able to complete his plan and upload his program.

[Tequilla]

Originally Posted by xii22_loop

- early in the film, Alfred comes down to Bruce in the Batcave and tells him what he has found out about Bane. How was it so easy to research Bane and discover he was trained and exiled by Ra's Al Ghul. Uhhhhhh, is League of Shadows knowledge that accessible? You'd think Bane being part of the League of Shadows or the League's 'past members' isn't something you can't easily find wikipedia information on.

Alfred has always been a resourceful chap . In TDK we even discover he had some military background. We also know CIA has information about Bane. He has Bruce's resources at his disposable. Bruce asks him to investigate Bane further. He did.

[Polaris23]

Bruce gets back to Gotham the same way King Kong is brought to New York

[TheHeatKitchen]

Originally Posted by Polaris23

Bruce gets back to Gotham the same way King Kong is brought to New York

Like the T-Rex in The Lost World? Chained up on a giant ship? Sounds good to me.