Winter Soldier: Bionic arm or not?

[BullMcGiveny]

Domino masks are stupid. Balaclava or nothing.

I hope they ditch the '90s hair, too.

[Dark Raven]

If WS is a covert operative, then he can really dress however he likes, to get the mission done. So perhaps Cap first encounters him while WS is dressed up in a halloween outfit (perhaps he's going to a fancy dress party to assassinate someone and needs to blend in) and hence he could wear the domino mask, long hair and exact comic costume. Because everyone is dressed up, that can add to why Cap can't instantly recognise him.

[Mako]

Bionic Arm?? Hell Yes

[TheHeatKitchen]

Originally Posted by Dark Raven

I think you should get the action surprise first when Cap is battling WS. That will make him less likely to think it's Bucky. Then, when he does unmask him, the horror of the situation will hit him when he realises what they've done to Bucky. If nothing has been done in terms of mutilation and arm replacement, then it's not as big a horror to Cap.

Yeah, I can understand that. My only concern comes with the people that already know he's Bucky. You'd be relying on the emotional surprise to be big, but would only surprise half of the crowd.

just a small concern.

[Dark Raven]

Originally Posted by TheHeatKitchen

Yeah, I can understand that. My only concern comes with the people that already know he's Bucky. You'd be relying on the emotional surprise to be big, but would only surprise half of the crowd.

just a small concern.

That's the case with any literary twists or shocks which are translated into film - eg Gwen Stacy dying (every comic fan will see that coming) or even Vesper betraying Bond in Casino Royale. I don't think it takes away from the enjoyment in the end though.

[TheHeatKitchen]

Originally Posted by Dark Raven

That's the case with any literary twists or shocks which are translated into film - eg Gwen Stacy dying (every comic fan will see that coming) or even Vesper betraying Bond in Casino Royale. I don't think it takes away from the enjoyment in the end though.

I can't argue with that. Just some ideas. Either way could work. I personally like the idea of Cap knowing its Bucky the second time around, trying to plead with him but not being able to break through the brainwashing.

don't you just love how two people can have a civilized debate without resorting to name calling?

[BullMcGiveny]

I like the idea of showing that Bucky is the Winter Soldier from the get go. No surprise. Just the tension of anticipating Steve's reaction when he realizes his enemy is his long fallen friend.

[herolee10]

There's definitely a lot of material that they could explore with the fact that Bucky is the Winter Soldier. They go go from themes/topics:

1. Steve is no longer alone any more in terms of being the only person from his time who's still in his prime and currently alive.

2. While Steve was slumbering within the ice, Bucky was leading a life where he was being manipulated into being the ultimate weapon for whoever was pulling his strings; how Steve and Bucky's paths in life took such a big and different turn from each other.

[Hunter Rider]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

to put it simply, yes, because it's an iconic part of his physical character, there is nothing else to it, nothing to think deeply, and consider things. Its a part of his character, they need to do it. Period

This sums my views up perfectly, I don't want to see him watered down visually.

Originally Posted by scifiwolf

I posed this question in the news thread, but never got anything going. I'll ask it again here, since this is a more focused topic.

Would you guys want to see the Extremis nanotech tied into Bucky's arm? I think it would provide a great link between the films that's not necessarily only there to set up another team-up scenario.

It needn't be linked to Extremis as the timeline doesn't really fit unless we see him actually get the arm during the course of the movie. However it could be linked back to work done years ago by Howard Stark.

Originally Posted by Steve Holt

i say no to domino mask.
i think splinter cell/metal gear solid googles should be the way to go. In the context of the scene the goggles get damaged or there's a flash/flashbang and Bucky take them off.
Cap - "Bucky?"
WS - "Who the hell is Bucky?"

Agreed!

[Hypestyle]

I wonder will there be a passing reference to the tech-arm costing $6 million (circa 1945)... heh..

[TheWatcher]

He HAS to have the arm at some point.

It's his trademark, like Cap's shield.

[Destructus86]

Bionic Arm is a big yes and I could see Marvel doing it....now if this was a Nolan film we would NEVER get anything like that. Just saying...

[GothamInAshes]

Originally Posted by TheWatcher

He HAS to have the arm at some point.

It's his trademark, like Cap's shield.

hmm...im a little of both yes and no on this question. yes because youre right, the arm with the red star on it is the Winter Soldier's trademark. however, i dont think they'd use the Soviets being behind the creation of the Winter Soldier like it is in the comics. they barely mentioned Nazis in Captain America: the First Avenger, so i seriously doubt they'll mention the Soviets. i think that the Red Skull will come back (cuz we all know he isnt dead ) and Hydra will be behind it all.

and im saying no because the way it seemed when Bucky fell in The First Avenger, he couldnt have had the entire arm torn off like that. to counter that, i'd say that perhaps on his fall into the water, Bucky's arm was crushed so bad (like that one movie...cant remember its title, but it had James Franco in it ) that it had to be amputated. just a thought.

[BullMcGiveny]

Originally Posted by GothamInAshes

hmm...im a little of both yes and no on this question. yes because youre right, the arm with the red star on it is the Winter Soldier's trademark. however, i dont think they'd use the Soviets being behind the creation of the Winter Soldier like it is in the comics. they barely mentioned Nazis in Captain America: the First Avenger, so i seriously doubt they'll mention the Soviets. i think that the Red Skull will come back (cuz we all know he isnt dead ) and Hydra will be behind it all.

and im saying no because the way it seemed when Bucky fell in The First Avenger, he couldnt have had the entire arm torn off like that. to counter that, i'd say that perhaps on his fall into the water, Bucky's arm was crushed so bad (like that one movie...cant remember its title, but it had James Franco in it ) that it had to be amputated. just a thought.

Nazis have a huge stigma attached to them. They're regarded as the most evil people in history.

The Soviets don't, and they aren't.

Besides, HYDRA DID have Nazi origins.

Similarly, Winter Soldier had past ties to the USSR, but at present is working for a businessman who happened to have once been a KGB officer.

[GothamInAshes]

Originally Posted by BullMcGiveny

Nazis have a huge stigma attached to them. They're regarded as the most evil people in history.

The Soviets don't, and they aren't.

Besides, HYDRA DID have Nazi origins.

Similarly, Winter Soldier had past ties to the USSR, but at present is working for a businessman who happened to have once been a KGB officer.

yeah i forgot about Lukin...

[bert19]

The arm must be an important feature if only to make him more physically dangerous in combat.
I mean, not to put a downer on Bucky's skill set, but without that arm and it's power, could you see Bucky matching Cap in unarmed combat? Don't think I can.

[GothamInAshes]

Originally Posted by bert19

The arm must be an important feature if only to make him more physically dangerous in combat.
I mean, not to put a downer on Bucky's skill set, but without that arm and it's power, could you see Bucky matching Cap in unarmed combat? Don't think I can.

that brings up a good point too. that said, i am leaning more towards yes on "should Bucky have a bionic arm or not?".

have they confirmed that Sebastian Stan will return for The Winter Soldier?

[BullMcGiveny]

A couple of days after the title was announced, it was announced that he would reprise the role.

[GothamInAshes]

Originally Posted by BullMcGiveny

A couple of days after the title was announced, it was announced that he would reprise the role.

cool thanks for that! i wonder how he'd look with long hair??

im super excited for this film!!

[jaqua99]

if he even has long hair

[Brian Braddock]

Bionic all the way. In fact, I dont see a reason why not to have the arm. Marvel Studios have shown that they are more than willing to have some of the more fantastical elements from the source material translated to screen when other people working for other studios (Nolan, I'm looking at you) dismiss them.

[Ash Talon]

Yes to the bionic arm. Or they could make it some kind of armor like Thor's or more like an exoskeleton/frame that enhances his normal (or atrophied) arm.

Regarding the mask, I don't think he needs a domino mask. I can see him wearing a full mask, balaclava, or a mask that has the hair exposed while on a mission. Maybe while tangling with Cap for the first time, the mask is damaged a bit which exposes part of Bucky's face.

I like the idea of having a sequence (mission or chase) that goes through a masquerade party. WS could grab a mask off someone to help hide his identity so he can escape. It would be a nice wink to fans without alienating new viewers with the cheesiness of a domino mask.

[Hawkingbird]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

if he even has long hair

I want it long when he's a brainwashed villain, not when he goes back to sanity.

[Guerrilla]

For WS mask...something like the circled image on the right could work. Though, its a bit too similar to catwoman's gear. I do dig the Balaclava idea.

[Majik1387]

I'd rather he not be given the Nolan Catwoman treatment.