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Maybe the idea is not for us to think of Bruce's Batman as having time to fight other rogues within the gaps. But for Blake's Batman (or shall i say Robin's Batman) to be the one who goes on through the years fighting these comic book villains. And when he passes the mantle on, to a Dick Grayson type (hey..he does have an entire orphanage of kids to choose from) then HIS version of Batman can fight other villains as well. There's so many rogues. Batman helps but he attracts so many weirdos. This could be a never ending battle.
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Yes there is, because this is the story they are telling. You change that, you get a different film. There is a reason for all of that.
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I know what you mean Andino but you see, Joker thought Two-Face was really his ace in the hole all the way. He thought he would kill a bunch of people (he did) and all of Gotham would find out. Therefore Batman would still be batman, Dent would be known as the murderer, people would lose hope, freaks would come out of every corner. He also had this idea that because of all that Joker and Batman were destined to battle forever. With a city full of corruption (even more than ever)...it would allow for Joker to possibly be broken out quicker than imaginable.
All of this sounds like the comics, animation, video games doesn't it? If that was the ending of TDK...meaning Joker's predictions ALL coming true, then your third movie could have went down in similar fashion. BUT Jokers predictions didn't come true because the end of TDK showed Batman & Gordon covering up Dent's murders. People did not lose hope. They painted Batman as the baddie. Joker was locked up within a city that was cleaner & cleaner by the month/year. The corruption went away for the most part. Mainly organized crime. But it seems like the city became pretty ordinary throughout the 8 year gap. Batman wasn't needed after TDK (or needed much: for those of us who believe the unconfirmed sightings theory) so Joker rots in Arkham. Dent is hailed as a hero until Bane makes his presence felt. And we see a different outcome alltogether. I think it transitions into TDKR extremely well. If Dark Knights ending was different and the cops came and saw the struggle between Two-Face, Gordons son and Batman, then i would be saying YES!! Joker was right. There should be more freaks, more Batman adventures. But instead Joker is probably gone completely mad because his plan didn't work and Batman disappeared. |
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To add to that..
I know it would have been cool if Harvey Dent was indeed caught as a murderer. And of course if Heath was still alive. A third movie with Joker in a hannibal lecter role, a bunch of rogue cameos, and maybe Hugo Strange as the main villain. Then they could have done the 4th movie like TDKR. A lot of the same stuff could be kept such as Bane, Talia, the No Man's Land/Knightfall/Returns retirement stuff. Robin at the end. Most of it intact. It would have been amazing but probably not Nolan or Bale. So i must say..im happy with what i got. Even though the alternate choice could have been really cool. |
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You make a great point, like you said though it's that natural urge to want to see more from this world. Your post though definitely makes me put some of my disappointment to rest.
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I never thought of the eight-year gap as Bats being 'allowed' to take time off.
Rather he wasn't allowed to be Batman, to be the Hero, out there saving people every night, because Batman made decision 8 years ago that he was supposed to be the villain. Dent was supposed to be the Hero. You can see it in the TDKR. Like Alfred says, Bruce is just waiting for things to go wrong again. He can't wait to get back out there, because it's what he believes deep down is right (defeating criminals, and not upholding the lie), and it gives him a sense of purpose. Bats was just resisting getting back out there in the beginning of TDKR because he was adhering to what he and Gordon previously laid out as being the 'just', responsible course of action. It took Robin and Gordon's pleas to convince Bruce that Batman 'had to come back'. Last edited by FeedOnATreeFrog; 01-05-2013 at 12:10 AM. |
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Let me put it this way. If I caught you in my house stealing 10 dollars and I beat you up and cracked you up-side the head I might say to you," Dont let me catch you in here again." That doesnt mean its the 2nd or 3rd time Ive caught you in my house. It just means that I dont want to see you in my house again after this 1st time I caught you. I dont understand how people can be so confused by this statement. It might mean that I have caught you 2 or 3 times but it is by no means a definitive statement.
Also I would also have liked a 4 movie set. With the 3rd movie starting with a Two Face trial and then dealing with a Penguin trying to control the remnants of the Mob with 1 or 2 minor villians. Then the 4th movie exactly like it ended up. It would have made his "journey" as Batman feel more complete and meaningful. |
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From the script: WAYNE A dog. (off look) A big dog. There were more copycats last night, Alfred. With guns. And finally: SCARECROW Not my diagnosis. Batman silences Scarecrow with his boot. Turns to "Batman" BATMAN Don't let me find you out here again. End of discussion.
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the line... WAYNE A dog. (off look) A big dog. There were more copycats last night, Alfred. With guns. Implies that this group of copycats that he had just encountered was a different group of copycats. Otherwise he would have said I ran into scarecrow and "whats-his-names" group again last night. |
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I kinda of agree with the notion that for this world, it would have made sense for Gotham to no longer need a Batman and I think for now, they don't. Bruce made his dramatic example by the "death" of Batman and saving the city as well as "letting the truth have its day." What TDKR does address is that there will always be corruption and evil on some level. Blake sees this and the the movie suggests that the Batman symbol, which is someone noble who exists outside the law, might be necessary again. There's a generational theme in TDKR with Blake and Talia. Bruce's actions don't exist in a void. What he did has Batman will continue to affect generations long after him. It would be unbelievable to say that Gotham is "fixed" permanently.
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I'm gonna stick to my belief that TDK was a few years after BB, based solely in Gordon's kids age.
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That's something that I loved about this version of the character; his humanity, how he got hurt really bad and how that leaves scars and consequences (sp?), yet, this extraordinary man, works through pain, sucks it up and keeps on fighting, never giving up, and you can tell that he's hurt, he's in pain while doing it. I've read a lot of people here saying how much superior comics/TAS Batman is to Nolan's, and I'm sorry, I just don't see it (don't get me wrong, Batman is my favorite fictional character ever since I was a little kid); when comparing the Nolan movies to, say, Mask of the Phantasm (which I saw a couple of days ago), I found Bale's Bats to be much more capable, scarier, incredibly more intimidating, all around much more badass, this unstoppable force of nature; and I know that a lot of people are hung out on "Batgod" from the comics, yet somehow, overlook all the little moments during the trilogy that show us how smart and the gifted detective that he actually is. These and many other reasons make Nolan and Bale's Batman my favorite version of the character, above both comics and animated shows. Polux |
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But you also have to look at the Blackgate prisoners (and possibly Arkham patients?) who are out there. Perhaps scattered around the city. Yes the cops could round them up, but what if they can't catch every single one of them? So maybe Batman IS needed during this time.. It is a bit vague. Maybe Gotham doesn't need Batman for a while, maybe it does. Blake is there regardless to step up to the plate incase. Training or not i guess. Bruce's journey has a definite conclusion as this universe's first generation Batman & creator. But we don't know if this is the beginning of Robin's journey or when it will happen, or if it will EVER happen. Gotham might not need a Batman for the next 10 years after TDKR for all we know. Blake may end up helping orphaned children and using the tech inside the batcave to help tip off Gordon and his crew in catching the leftover prisoners. Or better yet to keep an eye on the city via the computers just incase some big trouble arises. Then he would have to teach one of those children upstairs in Wayne Manor a few tricks in possibly becoming a vigilante-hero if/when Blake gets too old to don the suit. I think the end is done in such a way where they've teased us with a continuation but they don't ever have to show us anything more. It's great for the imagination. |
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So in that sense, their third (probably) attack on Gotham in TDKR does make sense, even though bringing them back is rather uninspired. There's also the tematic value of bringing it back 'full circle' to BB and all that jazz. Quote:
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They had, Scarecrow was even being considered for the following film after Batman & Robin. Both Ra's and Scarecrow appeared in other media and are staples in the comic books before the Nolan films.
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Oh, very well then. Speaking for myself, I thought the way the films developed showed a balanced translation of the Batman lore. I did, actually. Specially Scarecrow, he was ingrained into my mind since Batman TAS. He was a part of the Superfriends show too, and member of the Legion of Doom. Those characters maybe aren't up there with The Joker, the Penguin, The Riddler or Catwoman in terms of popularity, but they are recognizable.
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