What villains are left for a 4th film?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^The budget for this is meant to be lower than the last movie, what would be the point of doing Unicron in this movie?

Save him for the biggest threat in the biggest movie.

[terry78]

That was just conjecture from Bay I think.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I dont see why, he said DOTM would have the same budget as ROTF and in the end he was right, why would he suddenly start lying about the budget now?

[Fading]

Like I was saying before, you can just spend a movie or two building up to Unicron. He doesn't have to appear for awhile. Just be a voice in the shadows directing his vanguard (who would be the villains the autobots fight in movie 4) to his next meal, Earth. End of movie 4 they return defeated with the corpse of Megatron. Movie 5 Megs returns as Galvatron, heralding Unicron's return. Unicron doesn't actually appear until the end of movie 5, or in 6. They can introduce him to set up the story without blowing the budget until the huge fight culminates in 6.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I dont know, I think the 4th movie needs to be its own thing, have a totally seperate villain/s like Thunderwing or Straxus. Have a teaser maybe at the end of TF4 showing Megatron being rebuilt into Galvatron.

THEN build up Unicron through movie 5 and reveal him in movie 6 as the big bad.

[Avangarde]

Galvatron doesn't need to be reborn from Megatron, just introduce him as a separate entity. He can be Unicrons harbinger, if Bay was smart he could look at the big picture and plan a head for this new trilogy, leading up to the grand finale of Unicron in movie 6.

[terry78]

I confess he does have a lot of untapped potential left he could deal with. Dinobots, Junkions, Quintessions, whatever.

[Fading]

I never understood the resistance to the Dinobots. Nearly every fan likes them. Yet highmoon had to beg to include them in the fall of cybertron game, and I remember reading once that Bay didn't want them either. On paper robot dino's may sound goofy, but it's been showed repeatedly they can be the badass muscle of the autobots.

[Fading]

Originally Posted by AVEITWITHJAMON

^I dont know, I think the 4th movie needs to be its own thing, have a totally seperate villain/s like Thunderwing or Straxus. Have a teaser maybe at the end of TF4 showing Megatron being rebuilt into Galvatron.

THEN build up Unicron through movie 5 and reveal him in movie 6 as the big bad.

Personally, I wouldn't have killed off Shockwave in 3. He's been shown to be every bit as much of a villain as Megatron in other Transformer mediums. They could have introduced Ultra Magnus in 4 as the leader of a group of autobot survivors, and Shockwave as a leader of a decepticon army. Shockwave heads to Earth after losing contact with Megatron, and is the villain for 1 movie.

I wonder if they do end up bringing in Galvatron, if they'll give him Cyclonus, and Scourge as minions. Given that all of Megatron's top soldiers died, they need to fill some empty spaces, not just Megatron's.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Originally Posted by Avangarde

Galvatron doesn't need to be reborn from Megatron, just introduce him as a separate entity. He can be Unicrons harbinger, if Bay was smart he could look at the big picture and plan a head for this new trilogy, leading up to the grand finale of Unicron in movie 6.

Thats true, in the more recent comics Galvatron and Megatron existed as seperate entities when Galvatron was following Nemesis Prime, they could easily follow this route in the movie and have it build up to Unicron.

Originally Posted by Fading

Personally, I wouldn't have killed off Shockwave in 3. He's been shown to be every bit as much of a villain as Megatron in other Transformer mediums. They could have introduced Ultra Magnus in 4 as the leader of a group of autobot survivors, and Shockwave as a leader of a decepticon army. Shockwave heads to Earth after losing contact with Megatron, and is the villain for 1 movie.

I wonder if they do end up bringing in Galvatron, if they'll give him Cyclonus, and Scourge as minions. Given that all of Megatron's top soldiers died, they need to fill some empty spaces, not just Megatron's.

Shockwave should never have been killed off, what a waste of an awesome character and potentially superb villain. They should have just used another character in his place as Shockwave, one of the best villains in TF lore, was just simply wasted.

Although there are still other villains they can use, Thunderwing and Sixshot come to mind.

[Avangarde]

Originally Posted by Fading

I never understood the resistance to the Dinobots. Nearly every fan likes them. Yet highmoon had to beg to include them in the fall of cybertron game, and I remember reading once that Bay didn't want them either. On paper robot dino's may sound goofy, but it's been showed repeatedly they can be the badass muscle of the autobots.

I liked the way IDW handled the Dinobots. They were a small science team hunting down Shockwave on earth during the Jurrasic period. They used a special bio-organic skin to coat them when they scanned the local populace. A fight ensured, and they all ended up trapped in a tar pit for millennia. During that time there organic skin corroded away to reveal the exo-skeletal frame, the look they kept when they were dug up in the 20th century. This could work on film.

[Fading]

Originally Posted by Avangarde

I liked the way IDW handled the Dinobots. They were a small science team hunting down Shockwave on earth during the Jurrasic period. They used a special bio-organic skin to coat them when they scanned the local populace. A fight ensured, and they all ended up trapped in a tar pit for millennia. During that time there organic skin corroded away to reveal the exo-skeletal frame, the look they kept when they were dug up in the 20th century. This could work on film.

I like that too. In Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and his team left their station to follow up on something during the last days of the war. They get ambushed, and captured by Shockwave, and his Insecticon army. Shockwave experiments on them to create the ultimate soldier. To achieve this he routes 95% of their power to combat related functions. Making thinking much harder for the Dinobots, whereas before they weren't idiots at the least.

Grimlock ends up fueling his transformation with rage from what Shockwave did to them, and from his difficulty grasping simple ideas. Their forms come from when older transformers explored our solar system before the war, and noted Earth looked ripe for energon. Shockwave studied their finds, and used the biggest, toughest forms from Earth at the time (dinosaurs). Shockwave during that time also discovers the spacebridge, and repairs it.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Originally Posted by Avangarde

I liked the way IDW handled the Dinobots. They were a small science team hunting down Shockwave on earth during the Jurrasic period. They used a special bio-organic skin to coat them when they scanned the local populace. A fight ensured, and they all ended up trapped in a tar pit for millennia. During that time there organic skin corroded away to reveal the exo-skeletal frame, the look they kept when they were dug up in the 20th century. This could work on film.

Originally Posted by Fading

I like that too. In Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and his team left their station to follow up on something during the last days of the war. They get ambushed, and captured by Shockwave, and his Insecticon army. Shockwave experiments on them to create the ultimate soldier. To achieve this he routes 95% of their power to combat related functions. Making thinking much harder for the Dinobots, whereas before they weren't idiots at the least.

Grimlock ends up fueling his transformation with rage from what Shockwave did to them, and from his difficulty grasping simple ideas. Their forms come from when older transformers explored our solar system before the war, and noted Earth looked ripe for energon. Shockwave studied their finds, and used the biggest, toughest forms from Earth at the time (dinosaurs). Shockwave during that time also discovers the spacebridge, and repairs it.

Either of these scenario's could work in a movie setting to set up the Dinobots and would be both plausible and believable in the universe we have seen so far.

Personally I prefer the more recent IDW version as when I read it it was superb and in the movie it would mean we would get to see Shockwave again, albeit in a flashback. But seeing him fighting the Dinobots would be awesome.