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Old 01-10-2013, 09:36 PM   #26
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I would portray him as more sympathetic and pathetic, using 'The Killing Joke' as the basis.

We've seen the angry tactical Joker with Nicholson.

We've seen the vile sadistic Joker with Ledger.

I think 'The Killing Joke' type Joker would present a very different take that hasn't been seen before. Another beyond dangerous person is someone with nothing to lose. He gets caught up in crime as a result of his pregnant wife who dies and he still has to go through with it resulting in an accident making him a clown. A constant reminder almost that he's become a living joke. Thus making him ultimately crack and develop a skewed psyche.

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Old 01-10-2013, 09:48 PM   #27
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:55 PM   #28
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Yeah. But Joker is ultimately a tragic character, who see's what happened to him as the awakening truth that life is a joke and that we're all jokes. It was born out of tragedy...and the pain affects him so bad that he runs from it.

I loved how TKJ showed us that was a good man fighting for a future, roped into something bad...which ended up horribly for him. He see's how evil and unfair life can be, and thinks it plays jokes on people...and the only way we can live is by releasing ourselves of the shackles of sanity...because once you're insane, you no longer care. Life is evil, so we should be too, then the jokes will no longer be on us.

Bringing something like that to the film audience would be pretty neat.

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Old 01-11-2013, 01:41 AM   #29
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Just don't give him a definite origin. The concept of him telling a different story to everyone that ask is too great to change, imo. He should be a character that just appears out of nowhere!

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Old 01-11-2013, 09:43 AM   #30
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I'd like a skinny Joker this time. I'm not saying Jack and Heath are fat or anything but they weren't skinny enough for my taste.

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Old 01-12-2013, 06:52 PM   #31
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Well I loved how Heath told conflicting tales that always revolved around his scars.

But it would be cool to see him talking about his feelings about himself and how he views the world, and why he does what he does.

I would like it the way it was in Arkham Asylum, to turn Harley insane when they had their sessions together.

Heath's Joker was basically relaying to several characters, in a subtle way, the jist of what the Joker stands for in the 70 years worth of stories.

How he is an agent of chaos...Joker wants to upset the established order of society. Society is made up of law and order, rules we have to follow to keep us on the straight and narrow. With no rules of law and order, there would be no control...without control, chaos would ensue. Within chaos lies madness...'Madness on sane society' is the Joker's goal, with the weapon of chaos. If he influence us do evil things, then that itself is upsetting the established order of a decent society...we are breaking the rules laid out to us by the forces of good, which lies with law and order. This will cause the concepts of good and sanity to crumble, until we see the world as he does, or at least a fraction of it...

Chaos is a disorder of anything within an established order. Joker believes the world to be mad, random and pointless. Chaos in mathematics and sciences is connected with randomness.
"Having no definite aim or purpose; not sent or guided in a particular direction; made, done, occurring, etc., without method or conscious choice; haphazard."
Chaos is his weapon to cause madness, but it's also part of his philosophy.

As I said, Joker see's the world as a comedy stage, an absurd joke, and we are the Joker's ourselves, like him. Only we don't realize it, as we don't see exsistence as a cruel and pointless joke as he does. Someone who is sane, is insane to the Joker...We identify ourselves as human being's...Joker identifies us as nothing more than blindfolded clowns on the stage...and he wants madness to remove the blindfolds from us, let it consume us, so we can then finally see ourselves for what really are and laugh about it until we die...and that way, the cruelest joke of all can no longer be played on us, but played on life itself.

So what is Joker's problem? Could it be life itself for playing cruel jokes on us all? Life for creating us as nothing more than it's clowns for cruel entertainment? And only in madness, can we see ourselves as the joker's, and that way, life can no longer play its jokes on us to hurt us for it's own amusement? Or is it simply because there is no point in anything and we're all jokes for thinking there is?

If that doesn't drive a young intern insane, I don't know what will!

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Old 01-14-2013, 09:30 PM   #32
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I kind of want Joker's suit to look like this. Something stylish and cleaner than Heath's, but going back to thlong tailcoat.


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I'm hoping for Joker to be mentioned in the first film of a trilogy, teaser appearance at the end of the second (escaping Arkham) and then being the main villain of the third. I'd really like to see him be played by Michael Emerson in live action. I think he can play a psychotic character really well and has a good voice for Joker (See The Dark Knight Returns, Part 2).

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My top choices for Joker are Matt Smith


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All look like Joker. Cool.

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sheen as joker would be crazy

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Old 01-15-2013, 08:08 AM   #37
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Sheen makes me think of the Riddler.

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Old 01-15-2013, 10:37 PM   #38
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He'd suit either role.

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Old 01-15-2013, 11:24 PM   #39
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Agreed put me in the boat that some villains are just that much better without an origin. Joker is one of them. Catwoman too.

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Joker should have no origin...he just makes them up.

He should remain what the comics and TDK paint him out to be...a force spat straight out of Hell.

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Old 01-16-2013, 12:27 AM   #41
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No origin for the Joker please. He works much better being mysterious and having a past in "multiple choices" like in The Killing Joke.

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Old 01-16-2013, 12:40 AM   #42
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I prefer Joker without an origin as well. But, that said, I'd like to see the Red Hood gang appear in a film before Joker's first appearance (if they decide to have it be Joker and Batman's first meeting), just as a nod and potential origin if people want to see it that way.

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Also, it depends on how he comes to be, right?

Heath didn't fall into chemicals, but Batman had a part in his creation, being an inspiration. That is sort of like Jack (Joker) in Lovers And Mad Men, but Batman was responsible for having him attacked at the chemical plant So it was a blend.

But they could just show you him as the Red Hood, without any dialogue at the plant...So he could be the failed comedian under there or the criminal sadist, we don't know.

And we could also have his account of things opposing Batman's. Because it's never been quite clear what happened in the comics. Couild also shed more light on why Batman feels responsible to the Joker, a deeper connection. Did Joker fall accidentally? Or was he thrown delibrately or accidentally by Batman?

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Every time I see the title I miss read it as Robot Joker and get all excited.

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That?

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Old 01-18-2013, 07:38 PM   #46
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Sam Rockwell?

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No, it's a Joker robot
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watching seven psychopaths has convinced me that he'd either make a jizztastic joker, or a perfect deadpool.


cause **** ryan reynolds. that's why.

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sheen as joker would be crazy
he pretty much played TAS joker in Tron. thats all i could think of in his scenes. like him dancing and saying crazy stuff while everyone else is fighting

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personally i feel he need to be brought back. i was never in the crowd of retiring the character thats moronic. and to make it cleaer the group that wanted the joker retired was not just from movies, but comics, tv, games everything.

as for harley yeah i think she should be included it got to the stage now even on merchandise thats its getting harder and harder to separate the characters. it always annoyed me that nolan wrote her off as an annoyance and a lot fo the fan boys jumped on the band wagon

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