The Official Rate/Review Thread for TDKR (TAG SPOILERS!!!) - Part 3

[Vartha]

Originally Posted by Kryptonian Warrior

So I just got done watching the movie again and I still absolutely LOVE this movie. However, I was left wondering why he would lie about the autopilot not functioning to Selina. I mean he just flat out told her "no autopilot", when in fact it was fixed. I wonder if the intent was to make the city think that he was dead and then reveal that he is alive to those closest to him? That just made me curious is all.

I thought it was a new steering system? Didn't Fox say that it was?
Damn now I have to watch it again lol

[L3G3NDK1LLER]

Originally Posted by Brain Damage

The problem with that is that the filmmakers quite clearly set up how impossible it is to get in or out of Gotham. That Bruce managed to find a way into the country, fine, I'll buy that without having to see it. But when you take screentime to set up the difficulty of getting into a place, it feels awful cheap to have your protagonist magically find a way in off screen.

Maybe some will say "Well, he IS Batman".
Fine, but let's not forget that we had an entire movie in this trilogy that was dedicated to showing HOW Batman operated in great detail. TDK, while not as in depth about it, certainly maintained that notion of letting us see how Batman operates. So for TDKR to pull the "well, he IS Batman" card feels both cheap and inconsistent with the other films.

I guess thats true...but, and im not trying to start an argument here, I thought the stipulation concerning Gotham was that no one could leave. I mean clearly they let people in for supplies, as for other people like citizens one would assume that no one would want enter but would they stop them? And if Bruce could could make it back to the country, I dont feel like sneaking on to a supply truck would be that hard, or even act like a volunteer. I know a simple two minute scene could explain all this but I felt given how he has just disappeared and shown up before we dont need to see how he does it because we know he is capable.

[Brain Damage]

Originally Posted by L3G3NDK1LLER

I guess thats true...but, and im not trying to start an argument here, I thought the stipulation concerning Gotham was that no one could leave. I mean clearly they let people in for supplies, as for other people like citizens one would assume that no one would want enter but would they stop them? And if Bruce could could make it back to the country, I dont feel like sneaking on to a supply truck would be that hard, or even act like a volunteer. I know a simple two minute scene could explain all this but I felt given how he has just disappeared and shown up before we dont need to see how he does it because we know he is capable.

I'm not trying to start an argument either haha. Don't get me wrong, it certainly didn't ruin the movie for me, it wasn't even the straw that broke the camel's back, but it did pull me out of the movie and made me start wondering just how the hell he got back there. Even a fifteen second clip of a disguised Bruce sneaking on to a supply truck would have prevented that moment of being pulled out of the fictive dream. Like I said, didn't ruin the movie for me by any stretch but it is an example of a poor storytelling decision.

The only reason I can think of (other than time or just poor judgement) for not including how Bruce got back is because Nolan wanted us to have that same sense of surprise that Selina has when she hears his voice. But it's not the same because unlike Selina, we saw Bruce climb out of the pit. We knew he was alive the whole time. Furthermore, Anne's expression totally sells the shock she feels more than adequately.

[darknight7.1]

This may sound silly, but I assumed he made it across the ice.

Remember his fight with Ras in Begins? Fighting on the ice and Bruce falling through the ice. Then Ras telling him to always mind his surroundings.

Now if the general audience would be able to put that all together... IDK...

[Anno_Domini]

Yah, him walking on the ice was never a big deal with me, especially when Gordon was able to walk on it as well. If anything, the nitpick should be that Gordon seemed fine walking on the ice to grab that flare. We've already seen Bruce walk on ice and the knowledge of knowing where to walk.

Plus...the ice was pretty thick for a while until you walked further, such as Stryver until he finally hit a point where he fell right through.

[darknight7.1]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

Yah, him walking on the ice was never a big deal with me, especially when Gordon was able to walk on it as well. If anything, the nitpick should be that Gordon seemed fine walking on the ice to grab that flare. We've already seen Bruce walk on ice and the knowledge of knowing where to walk.

Plus...the ice was pretty thick for a while until you walked further, such as Stryver until he finally hit a point where he fell right through.

What I ment was Bruce walked across the ice to get back to Gotham.

[Chris Wallace]

Don't you people understand HE NEVER GOT OUT OF THE COCK-A-DOODY PLANE!!!!!

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by darknight7.1

What I ment was Bruce walked across the ice to get back to Gotham.

What makes you think that?

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Originally Posted by Chris Wallace

Don't you people understand HE NEVER GOT OUT OF THE COCK-A-DOODY PLANE!!!!!

I would love to see a film where Nolan meets a fan like her.

I've seen this quite a bit since I got it for Christmas; I still love this film. The scene where Folley takes the lead vs the mercenaries with the deshi basara score still gets my blood pumping! Dat ending, man, dat ending. I've never been happier for anyone than Bruce.

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wooden Alligator

I would love to see a film where Nolan meets a fan like her.

I've seen this quite a bit since I got it for Christmas; I still love this film. The scene where Folley takes the lead vs the mercenaries with the deshi basara score still gets my blood pumping! Dat ending, man, dat ending. I've never been happier for anyone than Bruce.

That's what makes this trilogy so special to me. My favorite superhero and the guy behind the mask is given a happy ending that we will never see again, nor will we probably ever get in a comic book. It's not going by the way Batman is and that's sticking around, but in a relatable world that Nolan gave us, he's giving Bruce Wayne a happy ending while also keeping the Batman legacy alive by passing the mantle down to someone else.

And yah..."There's only one police in this town" from Foley hit something when that scene began; if only it was longer though.

[BatLobsterRises]

I love, love the buildup in that scene.

deshi......DESHI......basara.....BASARA....

[Anno_Domini]

Indeed. And people can complain, but I loved how Foley saw the flaming bat symbol and lead the cops into war. It's a beautiful progression of how only one cop believed in Batman while the others were hunting him down(with Loeb setting a task force), then Gordon and a few others believing in Batman while there were still others that didn't trust him which only became worse and finally after the truth is revealed about Harvey Dent, the cops end up becoming Batman's army in the end and the people of Gotham puts up a statue to show the true face of heroism.

[JackWhite]

I never had a problem with Bruce retiring at the end of TDKR, because this is a self contained trilogy; with a beginning, middle and an end. With BB and TDK we got the classic "Batman continuing the fight" type of endings. For TDKR we got closure and finality.

The shot of the Batman statue, and Gordon's sullen reaction to it gets me every time.