Actors from original trilogy on First Class sequel with Days of Future Past - Part 1

[marvelrobbins]

Originally Posted by Angamb

Bryan Singer said last year that this movie will celebrate and connnect all movies.

All.

so its kind of funny how you keep saying that only X1-X2 actors will return.

Because they are still going to have to pick and choose which ones and your Ignoring the fact that Bryan Singer has never been one to just pack up screen like Brett Ratner and the origins fiasco.And It doesn't take a genus to figure out he would be more Intrested In getting back the actors he cast than the actors Brett Ratner had.

If you think he or Matthew Vaughn want to call attention to anything that went down In The Last Stand your very mistaken.Hell The wolverine may not even have direct reference to events of Last Stand beyond Jean's death.

Rogue Is almost certinly going to fill the role Kitty had.She may not be time traveler but good chance of her filling role In future scenes.It doesn't take a genus to figure out the stron possibilty of him wanting to spotlight Anna Paquin.Ellen Page may not even want to play Kitty again.She had to be begged to audition for the Last Stand.

Kelsey Grammer Is on record of saying he hoped the Last Stand would be the last X-men film.Witht he different looling beasts In Last Stand and First Class do you really think they will want to call attention to that.

Shawn Ashmore and Daniel Cudmore will be In film before any of Last Stand actors.

Singer never said Days of future Past would celebrate all films.He talked about connecting dots between films.

If the fuutre Is presented as totally alternate that's even less reason to use any Last Stand actors.And If halle Berry,Anna Paquin,Rebecca romijn,james Marsden,and Famke Janssen are all joining Patrick Stewert,Ian Mckellen,and Hugh Jackman In future scenes that Is pretty large group of characters to service In future scenes.

[Angamb]

he said is a 'Celebration' of all x-men movies, you can find it out there, if you search it

you really dont know what Matthew and Kimbergs did with the script.

so open your mind a little bit, at least.

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by marvelrobbins

Because they are still going to have to pick and choose which ones and your Ignoring the fact that Bryan Singer has never been one to just pack up screen like Brett Ratner and the origins fiasco.And It doesn't take a genus to figure out he would be more Intrested In getting back the actors he cast than the actors Brett Ratner had.

If you think he or Matthew Vaughn want to call attention to anything that went down In The Last Stand your very mistaken.Hell The wolverine may not even have direct reference to events of Last Stand beyond Jean's death.

Rogue Is almost certinly going to fill the role Kitty had.She may not be time traveler but good chance of her filling role In future scenes.It doesn't take a genus to figure out the stron possibilty of him wanting to spotlight Anna Paquin.Ellen Page may not even want to play Kitty again.She had to be begged to audition for the Last Stand.

Kelsey Grammer Is on record of saying he hoped the Last Stand would be the last X-men film.Witht he different looling beasts In Last Stand and First Class do you really think they will want to call attention to that.

Shawn Ashmore and Daniel Cudmore will be In film before any of Last Stand actors.

Singer never said Days of future Past would celebrate all films.He talked about connecting dots between films.

If the fuutre Is presented as totally alternate that's even less reason to use any Last Stand actors.And If halle Berry,Anna Paquin,Rebecca romijn,james Marsden,and Famke Janssen are all joining Patrick Stewert,Ian Mckellen,and Hugh Jackman In future scenes that Is pretty large group of characters to service In future scenes.

to be honest... i think you're assuming too much, just like you're basically saying Angamb is...

[marvelrobbins]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

...yeah its not Paquin's fault at all.... Sookie Stackhouse on Trueblood is often the embodiment of Rogue. Why singer wouldn't let rogue be rogue ill never understand.

For starters Rogue got powers form MS marvel.An Avengers character which Fox doesn't have rights too.X-men was made for 75 Million and X2 for 110
Million.Rogue's MS marvel powers are too much.People tend to forget rogue's mutation Is absorbing engery from others.They were In no win situation with powers.Some complain for her not having MS Marvel's powers and others would complain If they Invented a different way to get some of those powers In there.

It's easy to complain In 2012/2013 about them not using all the powers but when X-Men was made In 1999/2000 It was an entirely different ballgame.

If you take Rogue In early 1980's when she first joined the X-men+The surban background and Close Relationship with Wolverine of Kitty+Wolverine finding her on his own of Jubilee=The film version of Rogue.

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by marvelrobbins

For starters Rogue got powers form MS marvel.An Avengers character which Fox doesn't have rights too.X-men was made for 75 Million and X2 for 110
Million.Rogue's MS marvel powers are too much.People tend to forget rogue's mutation Is absorbing engery from others.They were In no win situation with powers.Some complain for her not having MS Marvel's powers and others would complain If they Invented a different way to get some of those powers In there.

It's easy to complain In 2012/2013 about them not using all the powers but when X-Men was made In 1999/2000 It was an entirely different ballgame.

If you take Rogue In early 1980's when she first joined the X-men+The surban background and Close Relationship with Wolverine of Kitty+Wolverine finding her on his own of Jubilee=The film version of Rogue.

and i'm not talking just about powers... im talking about attitude and how the actor comes off... Rogue RARELY took advantage of her powers in the entire X-men trilogy... it would have been nice for her to stop being apprehensive and use them for battle. and for 3 movies we saw a scared little girl, not a kick-ass confident woman.. which SHE SHOULD HAVE learned to be (hell by the 2nd film even)

[marvelrobbins]

Originally Posted by Angamb

he said is a 'Celebration' of all x-men movies, you can find it out there, if you search it

you really dont know what Matthew and Kimbergs did with the script.

so open your mind a little bit, at least.

That was Simon Kinberg who said celebration of all X-Men movies.But,we know Origins defently won't be one of those films.

Not all Characters from earlier films are going to make the cut.A few are going to have be dead.This film Is If we are lucky most likely 2 hours not counting credits.And they have to cut time between past and future

Both Bryan singer and Matthew Vaughn have both made clear they aren't big fans of Last Stand.

If they go with alternate future that's because they don't want to deal with
events of Last Stand.The future scenes are going to be about seeing characters from trilogy suriving In the sentinle controlled future and trying
to change history with time travel.

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by marvelrobbins

That was Simon Kinberg who said celebration of all X-Men movies.But,we know Origins defently won't be one of those films.

Not all Characters from earlier films are going to make the cut.A few are going to have be dead.This film Is If we are lucky most likely 2 hours not counting credits.And they have to cut time between past and future

Both Bryan singer and Matthew Vaughn have both made clear they aren't big fans of Last Stand.

If they go with alternate future that's because they don't want to deal with
events of Last Stand.The future scenes are going to be about seeing characters from trilogy suriving In the sentinle controlled future and trying
to change history with time travel.

it's a mistake to completely ignore last stand imo... especially when they have the ability to fix it now with time travel...

add to that The Wolverine DOES take place after last stand... and part of millar's job is making it so all the fox marvel movies do flow and fit. So it most likely wont be ignored.. just probably re-written by the end of the film. I actually suspect all 3 films will be erased by the end of DOFP. that way the X-men franchise now has a clean slate, and only has to worry about FC continuity

[marvelrobbins]

Fix It.How Is erasing all the X-men films fixing anything?Very doudtful a year after the Wolverine comes out they will then say It never happened now.

That would stick the X-Men films In the past and would mean they can't do another wolverine film.How Is erasing most of the franchise celebrating them?And why In the world would you get the guy who started franchise to direct this film If you want to erase those films.

First Class had more connections to X-Men/X2 than Star Trek 2009 had to exsisting Star Trek Franchise.

mark Millar has clealry called First Class and days of future Past prequels.The future scenes may be set In alternate future that comes out of the assassination and
time travel may prevent the event and bring about Trilogy and The Wolverine.That would fit Singer's connecting dots between films comments.

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by marvelrobbins

Fix It.How Is erasing all the X-men films fixing anything?Very doudtful a year after the Wolverine comes out they will then say It never happened now.

That would stick the X-Men films In the past and would mean they can't do another wolverine film.How Is erasing most of the franchise celebrating them?And why In the world would you get the guy who started franchise to direct this film If you want to erase those films.

First Class had more connections to X-Men/X2 than Star Trek 2009 had to exsisting Star Trek Franchise.

mark Millar has clealry called First Class and days of future Past prequels.The future scenes may be set In alternate future that comes out of the assassination and
time travel may prevent the event and bring about Trilogy and The Wolverine.That would fit Singer's connecting dots between films comments.

by "fix it" means there's certain wrongs that can be explained, or undone (a simple explanation is the "cure" didn't stick, Rogue, Mags and Mystique now have there powers back, we saw how Xavier was returning, and there's a chance they could even undo/explain why scott isn't really dead

fix also means they answer a big problem between FC and X-men continuity in that they're no longer restricted to that timeline. Are the past Star Trek movies irrelevant now that the new films created a new timeline?

I think the FC members if they go into the future... (then return to the past) WILL create a new timeline very similar to Star Trek

[Duran Man]

Here is what we already know:

1. The Wolverine leads into DOFP.
2. Alternate timelines and time travel will be involved.

From this I think it's fair to deduce that the dystopian future in DOFP will occur after The Wolverine, not as a separate timeline initially, and that by the end of DOFP two timelines will be created.

[marvelrobbins]

Any post Last Stand film would go with cure being temporary.

You have to go with the Xavier's mind went Into brain dead twin Brother's body.

Sorry but without a time travel explanation Cyclops Isn't coming back If you have future scenes post Last Stand.

And why bother trying to undo what went down In Last Stand If your going to erase all X-men films besides First Class.

Yes everything Star Trek fans knew about past Is Ilrelvent now.J.J. Abrams doesn't give a rat's butt about being true to Star Trek.He wants to turn
Star Trek Into Star Wars and other summer Blockbusters like the Dark Knight and Transformers.

Your just asking for a mess If you want them to copy Abrams.To have characters start showing up In 1960's who were young In trilogy will be just a mess.

[spideyboy_1111]

It doesn't make the movies irrelevant though... They still happened. Its just not part of the current timeline......

[marvelrobbins]

Originally Posted by Duran Man

Here is what we already know:

1. The Wolverine leads into DOFP.
2. Alternate timelines and time travel will be involved.

From this I think it's fair to deduce that the dystopian future in DOFP will occur after The Wolverine, not as a separate timeline initially, and that by the end of DOFP two timelines will be created.

If the dystopian future Is designed to be set after Trilogy and The Wolverine then perhapes The Wolverine has ending showing the first use of Sentinles.
Although maybe the ending of the WOlverine ties Into DOFP as nothing more than showing what leads Wolverine to return to mansion.

mark Millar's comment of both First Class and days of future past as prequels not to mention the Infamous HR story saying the future scenes as alternate
dystopian future raises possibily the future Is a possable future coming off of what exactly Magneto and brotherhood did.And the time travel Is trying to prevent such event.Now If the time travel preventing event ends up leading to other films coming Into being that would allow for the connecting dots between films that Bryan Singer has talked about.

If trying to create future as entirely post trilogy and The Wolverine the big question Is how they end film.

[Great Mind(s)]

I think it would be interesting if The Wolverine ends with Logan returning to the US and seeing a swarm of Sentinels approaching in the sky.

[Cherry]

Originally Posted by Duran Man

Here is what we already know:

1. The Wolverine leads into DOFP.
2. Alternate timelines and time travel will be involved.

From this I think it's fair to deduce that the dystopian future in DOFP will occur after The Wolverine, not as a separate timeline initially, and that by the end of DOFP two timelines will be created.

This.

[psylockolussus]

Originally Posted by Angamb

I have the same feeling that both Rogue and Iceman will be back. and I kind of agree that they shouldnt be back, but Kitty and Colossus instead.

We have seen Rogue and Bobby on three movies, its fair to give Kitty and Colossus a second chance to shine, and specially since both were in the storyarc. They really deserve to appear again

Wouldn't that be weird if that happens. Iceman and Rogue who appeared in the first three movies are not coming back but less important characters who just became a supporting character in X3 like Shadowcat and Colossus are the ones that are gonna come back. I don't see the point with that.

Originally Posted by Duran Man

Here is what we already know:
2. Alternate timelines and time travel will be involved.

Alternate timeline is not yet confirmed. Fans here are just speculating about it incase Bryan Singer wants to ignore X3.

[Hawkingbird]

Less ignore, more fix by the looks of it.

[TheNewGirl]

Originally Posted by Hawkingbird

Less ignore, more fix by the looks of it.

Either way, its possible with time travel. I don't care how convoluted it turns out to be, X3 needs to be abolished by any means, and Singer is the man for the job.

[Angamb]

Originally Posted by psylockolussus

Wouldn't that be weird if that happens. Iceman and Rogue who appeared in the first three movies are not coming back but less important characters who just became a supporting character in X3 like Shadowcat and Colossus are the ones that are gonna come back. I don't see the point with that.

the point is to expand the universe and give us something new, not the same line up over and over again.

and it wouldnt be realisitc either if the only surviving mutants are the same as X2.

many fans want Kitty, as you can see out there and even on our own poll, where she is the third with most votes. So there u have a second point

[henzINNIT]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

...yeah its not Paquin's fault at all.... Sookie Stackhouse on Trueblood is often the embodiment of Rogue. Why singer wouldn't let rogue be rogue ill never understand.

He had 2 films to build her up before Last Stand crapped her development out. With time, Paquin's Rogue could have been one of the most fully realised team members.

[marvelrobbins]

There may not be any wiping.Days of Future past may be presentened as followup to First Class but prequel to X-Men.The future Is alternate from other films the result of Magneto and Brotherhood assassination someone.By end of film the time travel brings the trilogy Into bearing.That allows for connectin between films as Bryan Singer said.

We already have Patrick Stewert,Ian Mckellen,and Hugh Jackman.Adding halle Berry,Anna Paquin,Rebecca Romijn,One or both of James Marsden and Famke Janssen,and
Shawn Ashmore or Daniel Cudmore.That's pretty large right there.And there Is only going to be so much time spent In future.The Idea Bryan Singer would want to assemble actors for fuutre scenes he worked with.Or let's put It another way.Having actors In Days of future past of 2 most well received X-men films X2 and First Class.

[Hawkingbird]

Originally Posted by TheNewGirl

Either way, its possible with time travel. I don't care how convoluted it turns out to be, X3 needs to be abolished by any means, and Singer is the man for the job.

I don't think X3 is THAT bad. It's XMOW which needs to be disintegrated.

[Project862006]

^origins is far worse than last stand but tls had more potential

[marvelrobbins]

Origins Is pretty mcuh being Ignored.They are doing all they can to distancing themselves
from It In First Class,The Wolverine,and Days of future Past.Plus Deadpool If It Is made.

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by henzINNIT

He had 2 films to build her up before Last Stand crapped her development out. With time, Paquin's Rogue could have been one of the most fully realised team members.

And yet he still didn't do much with her in X2.....