MCU: Phase II - Part 1

[Edguy]

..or he could make him to watch the F4 movies.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by Edguy

..or he could make him to watch the F4 movies.

That's despicable. Norrin Radd would never turn that evil.

[xeno000]

Originally Posted by Hawkingbird

Surfer could then turn mean and guide Galactus to Rocket's home world

Or he could strip Rocket naked, drop him off on the side of a back road here in the South and let nature take its course.

[DrCosmic]

Originally Posted by Sneakronicity

This is a very good point. I'm already whining to everyone who will listen about how badly I want a Black Widow/Hawkeye movie that I'll probably never get, so having even more characters and teams that people will want movies for on the roster just means the ones we already have will continue to get shoved off on the back burner. I'm perfectly happy to let Fox and whoever keep rebooting if it means we get more Avengers universe character movies. A world that big works for comics but not for movies.

I definitely feel you on that. Having those properties in the possibly-capable hands of Fox and Sony gives Marvel Studios room to develop heroes that we haven't already seen 2-3 times before, which is nice for Marvel all around.

I think a world that big *can* work for movies, but every inch has gotta be built and earned and nothing can be taken for granted. It would build slower, and it would be a lot more connected than the comics in order to make every film a 'must see' for fans of the other MS films.

[KangConquers]

Originally Posted by DrCosmic

I definitely feel you on that. Having those properties in the possibly-capable hands of Fox and Sony gives Marvel Studios room to develop heroes that we haven't already seen 2-3 times before, which is nice for Marvel all around.

I think a world that big *can* work for movies, but every inch has gotta be built and earned and nothing can be taken for granted. It would build slower, and it would be a lot more connected than the comics in order to make every film a 'must see' for fans of the other MS films.

I've always liked this. The Avengers (and associated solo films) became top priority due to the lack of Spider-Man, X-Men and F4.

[Chewy]

If Marvel had Spidey and X-Men we wouldn't be getting a Cap sequel or Guardians in 2014.

[Lord]

I like what FOX and SONY are doing with their respective properties so i'm glad Marvel can focus on the rest of the Marvel universe

[metaphysician]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Hey, Natasha is about the only woman to have ever survived Daredevil's proverbial fridge. That's gotta count for something.

It required a literal magic resurrection. I wouldn't want to risk it.

[Lord]

Is Ant-Man going to be part of Phase II?

[ThePowerCosmic]

Originally Posted by Lord

Is Ant-Man going to be part of Phase II?

No, it'll come after Avengers 2. So Ant-Man will be the first movie of Phase III.

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by ThePowerCosmic

No, it'll come after Avengers 2. So Ant-Man will be the first movie of Phase III.

actually that's not accurate. Whenever marvel is referring to Phase II they include ant-man into that... Avengers isn't necessarily always going to be the "book end" of each phase. Ant-Man is still very much part of phase 2

[ThePowerCosmic]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

actually that's not accurate. Whenever marvel is referring to Phase II they include ant-man into that... Avengers isn't necessarily always going to be the "book end" of each phase. Ant-Man is still very much part of phase 2

How do you know that? I haven't heard anyone mention that Ant-Man would be phase 2. If you look at the links I've provided, you'll find that Ant-Man is actually widely agreed to be the start of Marvel's Phase 3.

http://badassdigest.com/2012/10/15/a...er-avengers-2/

http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/a...dark-world-3d/

http://screenrant.com/ant-man-2015-release-date/

http://www.chud.com/112455/edgars-an...arvel-project/

https://www.aintitcool.com/node/59097

http://www.geekbinge.com/2012/10/17/...vel-phase-two/

Until we've heard otherwise from Marvel, Avengers 2 will end Phase 2 and Ant-Man will be the beginning of Phase 3.

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by ThePowerCosmic

How do you know that? I haven't heard anyone mention that Ant-Man would be phase 2. If you look at the links I've provided, you'll find that Ant-Man is actually widely agreed to be the start of Marvel's Phase 3.

http://badassdigest.com/2012/10/15/a...er-avengers-2/

http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/a...dark-world-3d/

http://screenrant.com/ant-man-2015-release-date/

http://www.chud.com/112455/edgars-an...arvel-project/

https://www.aintitcool.com/node/59097

http://www.geekbinge.com/2012/10/17/...vel-phase-two/

Until we've heard otherwise from Marvel, Avengers 2 will end Phase 2 and Ant-Man will be the beginning of Phase 3.

I need to find sources, but it's widely believed to still be a part of Phase 2 due to the way news has been announced, marvel has never refereed to ant-man as Phase III, and no news period of phase III has thus-far been announced. I've honestly seen just as many people speculate it as both 2 and 3. So I honestly don't think we know.

it's amusing that your links you posted arn't actual direct quotes from the company it'self... until we here from the studio directly, I'm going to just chalk it up to the assumption of the news source. There's never been any mention if an "avengers film" will always be the bookend's for each phase... There's always a chance "Ant-Man" could just be an epilogue. Which in all honesty i think in this case it might.

I think Hank and Jan may indeed show up in Avengers 2, but we learn about more of there personal stories a few months later in Ant-Man

[ThePowerCosmic]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

I need to find sources, but it's widely believed to still be a part of Phase 2 due to the way news has been announced, marvel has never refereed to ant-man as Phase III, and no news period of phase III has thus-far been announced. I've honestly seen just as many people speculate it as both 2 and 3. So I honestly don't think we know.

it's amusing that your links you posted arn't actual direct quotes from the company it'self... until we here from the studio directly, I'm going to just chalk it up to the assumption of the news source. There's never been any mention if an "avengers film" will always be the bookend's for each phase... There's always a chance "Ant-Man" could just be an epilogue. Which in all honesty i think in this case it might.

I think Hank and Jan may indeed show up in Avengers 2, but we learn about more of there personal stories a few months later in Ant-Man

Like I said, it's widely agreed to be the beginning of Phase 3. Marvel hasn't corrected anyone or mentioned that Ant-Man is still in Phase 2, so my point still stands that more believe it to be Phase 3 than 2.

There are either no or barely any sources that indicate Ant-Man being Phase 2, so that wouldn't do you any good(Don't know where you got that widely agreed from, because that isn't true). For the time being, it's Phase 3 until Marvel says otherwise. However, if you think differently that's fine. Bring some sources to the table like I have, and maybe it would make more sense.

[spideyboy_1111]

There's no indications or references from Marvel that it's in either phase... it's complete speculation at this point.

and your sources... are made up of mostly the same exact copied news from one site to another... sorry, but it means little.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

There's no indications or references from Marvel that it's in either phase... it's complete speculation at this point.

and your sources... are made up of mostly the same exact copied news from one site to another... sorry, but it means little.

Right, but it means more than what you have at this point. My point is that it's widely agreed to be the start of phase 3. I've even provided links to back that up. Of course that's speculation at this point because there are no official announcements, but it's still widely agreed, which is more than what can be said about Ant-Man still being included in phase 2.

[cherokeesam]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/...-of-the-galaxy

Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase One - Avengers Assembled, which includes a Tony Stark briefcase, glowing Tesseract cube and all the Marvel movies from '08's Iron Man to The Avengers, will now also feature a showcase of the studio’s upcoming "Phase Two" slate of movies: Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy and The Avengers 2.

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.co...ase-two-tease/

Pre-sales begin later today for the collection, which EW.com reports will include such new content as deleted scenes from each of the studio’s previous films, and a look ahead to Phase Two, which begins in May with Iron Man 3 and continues with Thor: The Dark World, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy and The Avengers 2.

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/11/2...one-phase-two/

Even more compelling for fans in the $219 set is a chance to look ahead to Marvel’s Phase Two, which starts in May with Iron Man 3 and includes Thor: The Dark World, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy and, of course, The Avengers 2.

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah.. i did forget that part of the MCU box set is showing a look at "phase II" which IS including Ant-Man

[ThePowerCosmic]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/...-of-the-galaxy



http://spinoff.comicbookresources.co...ase-two-tease/



http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/11/2...one-phase-two/

Now those are the sources I was talking about. And that's something straight from Marvel since it's their box set. Looks like Ant-Man's going to be part of Phase 2 after all.

[Doc Ock]

So does that mean Ant-Man will END Phase 2?

[Dark Raven]

Originally Posted by Doc Ock

So does that mean Ant-Man will END Phase 2?

I hope he is in Phase 2. I want to see him and Wasp in Avengers 2.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Originally Posted by Doc Ock

So does that mean Ant-Man will END Phase 2?

at this time it is impossible to guess. we still have no idea what constitutes a 'phase' yet. all we know is that there was a threat in phase I (the founding of the avengers) that ended with TA, which was the last movie of phase I. we have no ideas of the metaplot of phase II yet, no idea how many movies they need to tell this story or if this plot is finished with the last movie of the phase, which isn't a necessity at all. the phases could also refer to just production phases of MS. phase I with all the movies planned from 2006-2008, phase II with all the movies planned. in the next wave 2011.
but my personal guess would be that ant-man somehow ends phase II

[Doc Ock]

Originally Posted by Dark Raven

I hope he is in Phase 2. I want to see him and Wasp in Avengers 2.

Yes, the MCU needs some Wasp action. And more female characters...as in superheroes.

Originally Posted by R_Hythlodeus

at this time it is impossible to guess. we still have no idea what constitutes a 'phase' yet. all we know is that there was a threat in phase I (the founding of the avengers) that ended with TA, which was the last movie of phase I. we have no ideas of the metaplot of phase II yet, no idea how many movies they need to tell this story or if this plot is finished with the last movie of the phase, which isn't a necessity at all. the phases could also refer to just production phases of MS. phase I with all the movies planned from 2006-2008, phase II with all the movies planned. in the next wave 2011.
but my personal guess would be that ant-man somehow ends phase II

I'm only assuming that as its release date is seemingly after TA2, and assuming Avengers will usually wrap these "phases" and Ant-Man possibly set up Phase III(Ultron maybe?)

[Dark Raven]

If Ant-Man is a really good movie and is successful, but is unconnected to the rest of the MCU, it would seem rather empty and like a missed opportunity. If the audience love it, they might be pleasantly surprised to hear that he's also in the Avengers 2 and that his film is building towards that.

And I really hope Wright isn't so stubborn as to insist on doing his own thing and not taking account of the MCU. Sure, he wants to tell the "To Steal an Ant-Man" story, but he could still get to tell it eventually. He should just concentrate on Hank Pym first. Lots of directors don't get to do exactly what they want with a first movie anyway, because they have to get past an origin story, whereas the 2nd movie usually leaves more room for branching out. "To Steal an Ant-Man" would work so much better as the sequel.

[Moridin]

It's also possible Ant Man is set before A2, it wouldn't be the first time MS played with the in-world/release date chronology (TIH + IM2).

We just don't know yet.