All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Project862006]

superbowl spot means nothing batman begins got one and film only made 374 million WW

john carter got one and was the biggest flop of the century

[Denish]

Originally Posted by Project862006

superbowl spot means nothing batman begins got one and film only made 374 million WW

john carter got one and was the biggest flop of the century

John Carter because was a bad movie..
Batman Begins because was the beginning of a new trend, a new era of comic book movies, and because he had Batman & Robin behind..
Man of Steel has to clear people's mind from Superman Returns..so they had to start from..you know, at least, something..

[Project862006]

they did the epic 2nd trailer that had everyone on forums,twitter,facebook,youtube buzzing the trailer has over 26 million views on YT

people are aware

[herolee10]

Honestly, if we just had a few photos showing other characters, then I wouldn't be bothered by the current flow of things. This film has a incredible cast attached to it and it wouldn't hurt the studio to capitalize and show that with envy.

[Denish]

People forget..Good trailer..yeah..but..then? Star Trek and Iron Man are going to eat Man of Steel if WB does not show that this movie rocks..

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by Denish

People forget..Good trailer..yeah..but..then? Star Trek and Iron Man are going to eat Man of Steel if WB does not show that this movie rocks..

Well, aren't those two films though coming out in May? By the time MOS comes out, they would have had roughly a month's worth of having been in the theaters; if anything, its Monsters University that MOS should be worried about.

[Astrodust]

Originally Posted by Project862006

superbowl spot means nothing batman begins got one and film only made 374 million WW

john carter got one and was the biggest flop of the century

Batman only did okay worldwide but did 200 mil domestic which was twice that of Batman and Robin. Begins also got great reviews. The Superbowl spot could of only helped to bring in people that would have written the movie off. And John Carter was a snoozefest and got poor word of mouth.

[Liam_H]

Then it shouldn't be that big of a deal if there's a Super Bowl spot or not. It has to be a quality movie leading to good reviews to good word of mouth.

[RoughNTumble]

haven't been keeping up

is there really a jenny olsen

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by Liam_H

Then it shouldn't be that big of a deal if there's a Super Bowl spot or not. It has to be a quality movie leading to good reviews to good word of mouth.

Well, if that were the cases, then why didn't Batman Begins, Star Trek, or X-Men: First Class make it to the 400 Million WW mark in BO?lol

I mean, I believed all three of those films were great in quality and had good worth of mouth, but I'm very perplexed on how those films never made it to the 400 Mark when so many other films of lesser quality and WOM did make it and even pass it.

Originally Posted by RoughNTumble

haven't been keeping up

is there really a jenny olsen

It's just a theory based on the fact that the woman was listed as playing that character in IMDB; and honestly, I think the whole idea is kind of outrageous, let alone on how people are buying into it so easily, but then again, I shouldn't be one to quickly pass judgment since I have been easily fooled on other things.lol

Nevertheless, if a "New version" of Jimmy Olsen was going to be in this film, then they would have announced it ages ago, and plus, I see no reason why they would need to change the character into a woman.

[Project862006]

Originally Posted by herolee10

Well, if that were the cases, then why didn't Batman Begins, Star Trek, or X-Men: First Class make it to the 400 Million WW mark in BO?lol

I mean, I believed all three of those films were great in quality and had good worth of mouth, but I'm very perplexed on how those films never made it to the 400 Mark when so many other films of lesser quality and WOM did make it and even pass it.



It's just a theory based on the fact that the woman was listed as playing that character in IMDB; and honestly, I think the whole idea is kind of outrageous, let alone on how people are buying into it so easily, but then again, I shouldn't be one to quickly pass judgment since I have been easily fooled on other things.lol

Nevertheless, if a "New version" of Jimmy Olsen was going to be in this film, then they would have announced it ages ago, and plus, I see no reason why they would need to change the character into a woman.

and what do all 3 of those and man of steel have in common all reboots of sorts to dying franchises lol

[Liam_H]

Originally Posted by herolee10

Well, if that were the cases, then why didn't Batman Begins, Star Trek, or X-Men: First Class make it to the 400 Million WW mark in BO?lol

I mean, I believed all three of those films were great in quality and had good worth of mouth, but I'm very perplexed on how those films never made it to the 400 Mark when so many other films of lesser quality and WOM did make it and even pass it.

Because all of those movies had certain stigmas to them. Batman flamed out with B&R, Star Trek has never really been the big blockbuster, First Class came off a movie that was mixed and another that was a pos. Plus no Wolverine, the character is still the biggest draw of that franchise.

All three didn't make it cause their overseas totals were quite low.

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by Project862006

and what do all 3 of those and man of steel have in common all reboots of sorts to dying franchises lol

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by Liam_H

Because all of those movies had certain stigmas to them. Batman flamed out with B&R, Star Trek has never really been the big blockbuster, First Class came off a movie that was mixed and another that was a pos. Plus no Wolverine, the character is still the biggest draw of that franchise.

All three didn't make it cause their overseas totals were quite low.

And now you can see why some of us are concerned.lol...MOS isn't exactly spared from that stigma since it has the disappointment of SR to contend with as well, and even if it ends up being great like any of the films mentioned, if it follows recent trend, then it may only make like 350-380 million in the BO, and the goal was for this film to surpass SR which made 391.

[Liam_H]

A Super Bowl spot will bring awareness but if the quality isn't there it won't matter a bit.

[Project862006]

Originally Posted by herolee10

And now you can see why some of us are concerned.lol...MOS isn't exactly spared from that stigma since it has the disappointment of SR to contend with as well, and even if it ends up being great like any of the films mentioned, if it follows recent trend, then it may only make like 350-380 million in the BO, and the goal was for this film to surpass SR which made 391.

atleast mos has 3d i believe lol

[herolee10]

Well, I'm calling it right now, but my men's intuition tells me that we will go yet another day without any real news or new (exciting) photos to look at regarding the film.

[G.Godfrey]

Originally Posted by Project862006

and what do all 3 of those and man of steel have in common all reboots of sorts to dying franchises lol

This is true but there are other factors to consider when comparing those particular films to MOS.

Batman Begins came out during a different time, one where CB based movies weren't ridding as high as today. Nolan was pretty much a non-factor and an unknown to a wide audience. Batman also had B&R before that (a film much much worse than SR which really isn't a negative for MOS as much as the haters want to believe) but it also had a GREAT Batman movie out just 16 years before that (compared to 33 years for MOS) and to many people outside of fanbase, Batman Begins didn't really look all THAT much different or (more importantly) better than Batman 89. Not to mention the weak marketing for that film (something MOS might just share) and the fact that internet wasn't as much of a factor in spreading the word then as it is now. Twitter didn't exist in 2005 and both FB and YT were young. BB also wasn't a film with huge CGI destruction going on, courtesy of super powered beings. That is why I don't understand when sometimes people bring up BB as supposed proof as to why MOS isn't going to bring in good money.

Moving on to X:FC. A fifth X-Men movie in 11 years. Last two being meh to crap. An X-Men movie with no name power that didn't really brake the mold of the previous films all that much. And it wasn't really an epic film huge in scope which MOS will be (I just hope they let the general public know that, lol). And X-Men themselves aren't really first tier characters.

And Star Trek? Well that franchise was DEAD when the movie came out. Literally. The hurdles ST had to overcome were much bigger than anything MOS has to. Given the circumstances, Star Trek was a big success.

I think MOS has more going for it than against it but one thing that it may have against it (WB's genius marketing division) might just severely damage it's BO potential. A SB spot couldn't hurt, only help. It's not like they're spending the money anywhere else.

Just my two cents...

[Project862006]

i think the problem with reboots to dying franchises is no matter how good the film is,word of mouth,trailers,etc. general audiences are just always gonna be apprehensive with the "well last movie sucked" mentality

many audiences may just wait for dvd and if they really like it they will come out in droves for sequel

it happened with nolan bat films also people forget it took 3 daniel craig bond films before it made any sort of domestic profit

[G.Godfrey]

The fact that Skyfall did as much as it did (if there is any franchise that overstayed it's welcome long ago, it's James Bond) can only bode well for any movie, really. And Superman Returns didn't suck. This is a fact. At worst, it caused indifference. It has a 76% RT critics score and a 67% audience score out of nearly half a million votes. MOS has Nolans name, a more impressive cast than anything outside of TDK trilogy and the kind of scope and cgi action that puts people in their seats - they just haven't showed that part yet, lol. Im not saying it's going to make a fortune, but it easily has the potential to reach TASM numbers,.

[Project862006]

^like i said it took 3 films for craig bond films to be a major hit domestically

casino royale was just as good as skyfall with a 95% on RT with great reviews and word of mouth and only made 167 million domestically it was also a dying franchise

hopefully Nolan's name helps

[BH/HHH]

Originally Posted by herolee10

It's just a theory based on the fact that the woman was listed as playing that character in IMDB; and honestly, I think the whole idea is kind of outrageous, let alone on how people are buying into it so easily, but then again, I shouldn't be one to quickly pass judgment since I have been easily fooled on other things.lol

Nevertheless, if a "New version" of Jimmy Olsen was going to be in this film, then they would have announced it ages ago, and plus, I see no reason why they would need to change the character into a woman.

Well people aren't saying that its fact that there's a Jenny Olsen, all we're doing is discussing the possibility of it. I think it's a very real possibility but until its confirmed I'm not straight buying into it.

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by BH/HHH

Well people aren't saying that its fact that there's a Jenny Olsen, all we're doing is discussing the possibility of it. I think it's a very real possibility but until its confirmed I'm not straight buying into it.

Well actually, I was referring to the ones who are already believing it to be a fact that Jimmy has been replaced; some that I've seen on other boards have already started making manips and are spreading the word as though its a god given fact.

[Simo]

Originally Posted by herolee10

Well, I'm calling it right now, but my men's intuition tells me that we will go yet another day without any real news or new (exciting) photos to look at regarding the film.

Maybe but for what its worth over on the Empire Magazine's forums there seems to be a big belief that the next cover reveal this Thursday is going to feature the Man of Steel and have a big feature. I guess we'll find out in 2 days....

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by Simo

Maybe but for what its worth over on the Empire Magazine's forums there seems to be a big belief that the next cover reveal this Thursday is going to feature the Man of Steel and have a big feature. I guess we'll find out in 2 days....

Oh I hope so at this point; we definitely need something new and worthwhile to talk about, and I don't mean falsified spoilers from IMDB users.lol

I can't begin to describe the look of disappointment that dawns upon my face every time I wake up a morning and see that there's no updates or newsworthy stuff to read about regarding MOS as of late.