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Old 01-14-2013, 06:02 AM   #251
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I'm certain he ordered it over the internet.
That is true, but it does present a plot hole

The first problem: Peter is poor. Or at least he usually is, and should be here. Surely he could afford the first package, but can he really constantly buy this stuff with his budget? We are talking about this revolutionary breakthrough in science produced in the most secret labs of Oscorp, they are really insulting the audiences intelligence if they wish to make us believe that he can buy this stuff with his lunch money, especially right after they made a fuzz about it

the other problem is that how casually he bought it. I don't really buy that even with his intelligence Peter could get the stuff just as easily as ordering a Simpsons box set from Amazon, let alone keep ordering when people would inevitably realize that Spidey is using the product

One can argue that "maybe Peter copied the formula so he can continue with home made webbing" but if the film makers really had that in mind they would've shown it or explained it. But as it is, there's not a single solid hint to support that theory. All that being said, this can easily be remedied by showing Peter making the webbing in the sequel. My theory is that he never ran out of the content that was in the first ordered box so now that he is running out in the sequel he figures out that he should copy the formula

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Old 01-14-2013, 09:07 AM   #252
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Its not really much of a plot hole. He bought it from the Oscorp website probably, and must have had some money saved or lying around that he could purchase one box. Not being able to afford more will probably be an issue in the sequel, so maybe it will force him to have to figure out how to copy the formula.

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Old 01-14-2013, 11:39 AM   #253
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Notice how Peter says he "Developed it himself".
I took that as, he bought some cable, learned the ingredients, added some stuff to make it a little more strong and durable, and some other changes.

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Old 01-14-2013, 11:46 AM   #254
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He also transformed the bio cable into web shooters, which I'm sure wasn't easy to do.

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Old 01-14-2013, 12:17 PM   #255
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Or saying "Oh, I bought it online." would have been kinda lame.

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Old 01-14-2013, 12:28 PM   #256
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"Here is some webbing I bought online. Its made from these genetically altered Spiders that are used to create this bio-cable. I took each cartridge, did some testing, and made a few tweaks to my watches and other equipment I have. Now I have a web shooter."

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Old 01-14-2013, 02:35 PM   #257
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That is true, but it does present a plot hole

The first problem: Peter is poor. Or at least he usually is, and should be here. Surely he could afford the first package, but can he really constantly buy this stuff with his budget? We are talking about this revolutionary breakthrough in science produced in the most secret labs of Oscorp, they are really insulting the audiences intelligence if they wish to make us believe that he can buy this stuff with his lunch money, especially right after they made a fuzz about it
How about, he got some of Uncle Ben's Life Insurance money??

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Old 01-14-2013, 02:36 PM   #258
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Even poor people have money lying around. How much did the box of web cartridges cost him? A few hundred? Less?

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Old 01-14-2013, 02:38 PM   #259
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That is true, but it does present a plot hole

The first problem: Peter is poor. Or at least he usually is, and should be here. Surely he could afford the first package, but can he really constantly buy this stuff with his budget? We are talking about this revolutionary breakthrough in science produced in the most secret labs of Oscorp, they are really insulting the audiences intelligence if they wish to make us believe that he can buy this stuff with his lunch money, especially right after they made a fuzz about it

the other problem is that how casually he bought it. I don't really buy that even with his intelligence Peter could get the stuff just as easily as ordering a Simpsons box set from Amazon, let alone keep ordering when people would inevitably realize that Spidey is using the product

One can argue that "maybe Peter copied the formula so he can continue with home made webbing" but if the film makers really had that in mind they would've shown it or explained it. But as it is, there's not a single solid hint to support that theory. All that being said, this can easily be remedied by showing Peter making the webbing in the sequel. My theory is that he never ran out of the content that was in the first ordered box so now that he is running out in the sequel he figures out that he should copy the formula
but then how do you justify him buying all of those ingredients in the actual comics to produce the webbing? its the same plot hole.

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Old 01-14-2013, 02:39 PM   #260
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Even poor people have money lying around. How much did the box of web cartridges cost him? A few hundred? Less?
If you order now, you get two boxes for the low, low price of $19.99. S&H not included.

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Old 01-14-2013, 05:45 PM   #261
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I have a theory. I know AutoCAD is several hundred dollars, but if you register as a student then you can get it for free for two-three years. Maybe Peter got it for free or cheaper if he registered that it's for education. Whether he bought it or stole it, I would love for this to come back and bite him on the ass. Goblin knows his address or something since he's buying stuff from his company.

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Old 01-14-2013, 07:40 PM   #262
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I imagine it was $200 or less for one shipment of the stuff. I also imagine Peter (if he is anything like me ) is a bit of a minimalist. He should have a very low overhead at age 17 and probably pretty responsible with his money/savings. I could swing that kind of money at age 17. But just barely.

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Old 01-14-2013, 07:44 PM   #263
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Where are people getting the idea that Peter was poor? He and Aunt May were low on cash in the comics but that was after Uncle Ben passed away and there was no real source of income.

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Old 01-14-2013, 08:04 PM   #264
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Where are people getting the idea that Peter was poor? He and Aunt May were low on cash in the comics but that was after Uncle Ben passed away and there was no real source of income.
He was kind of poor. Remember that one time he couldn't afford chocolate milk...

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Old 01-14-2013, 08:30 PM   #265
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He was kind of poor. Remember that one time he couldn't afford chocolate milk...
He probably just didn't have the money on him. He kind of just ran out of the house during a fight, and probably had a couple of bucks in his pocket. Doesn't really say whether or not he is poor.

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Old 01-14-2013, 08:58 PM   #266
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He probably just didn't have the money on him. He kind of just ran out of the house during a fight, and probably had a couple of bucks in his pocket. Doesn't really say whether or not he is poor.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. I mean I see that happen sometimes and I don't assume, "wow that person's poor". I more-so think, "hurry the hell up and learn to count".

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Old 01-14-2013, 09:22 PM   #267
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Not saying that Peter isn't poor, but not having enough cash on him to pay for Chocolate milk doesn't prove that he is or isn't.

I have a lot of financial issues (college isn't free), but I still try to save so I can buy things I need, whether its my laptop, phone, etc. I'm sure Peter was putting money away over the years as his little savings. Maybe his dad left something for him in a will? He was a scientist after all, and I'm sure he wasn't exactly poor himself.

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Old 01-15-2013, 05:53 PM   #268
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I don't think Peter is THAT poor, because he also ordered a spandex suit, some high-quality sunglasses, and I'm sure that the chips used by the web-shooters aren't free neither. So, probably, Peter spent more than 50$ into his Spidey persona.

Anyway, I'm sure that Peter stole the first cartridges from Oscorp. Possibly enough to reach the "Bridge" scene with enough supplies. Later on, he could just ask Gwen to snatch some for him.

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^^ The microcontrollers in the shooters can be bought online for something like 5 dollars each, plus shipping. Probably cheaper, considering they were SMT. And they didn't really seem like "high-quality glasses" to me.
He probably bought the cartridges from Oscorp, considering they were sent to him in a box labeled "OsCorp".
Also, the web doesn't dissolve. If you notice, he brings it back into the shooter by using a reversible turbine. This is evident in the scene in the car with the thief.

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Notice how Peter says he "Developed it himself".
Was he going to tell a thief that he bought the stuff from OsCorp?

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Old 01-22-2013, 05:43 PM   #271
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talking about oscorp they know Peter is spiderman,i mean at least Norman(i think is the man in the shadows) , because "did you tell the boy..." "will let him be for now" i want to see how that will play out

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i thought connors was hallucinating

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Old 01-24-2013, 04:59 PM   #273
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about that steam/smoke stuff that comes out of the web shooter when he uses it, i think that is like super sticky spray,and when he activates the shooter , it sprays on the cable as it shoots out, that explains how a cable can stick to a wall

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Old 01-28-2013, 01:11 PM   #274
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I just figured that it was due to the pressure needed to shoot the web fluid, not an extremely small aerosol glue stuff.

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Considering we were introduced to the bio-cable via an Oscorp ad, I'd say it is available for consumer purchase. Peter bought a box (which is probably nothing for a product that's likely often sold in bulk), and used it in a formula to create his webbing.

As for why it's not conspicuous to the police, it seems like the bio-cable is a popular product as it has its own wing at OsCorp and is clearly being mass-produced, and I doubt the amount Peter's buying even remotely compares to what various companies and industrial entities are. Besides, what Spidey's using technically ISN'T what people know the bio-cable to be, since Peter has simply used it to create his own formula.
That's a full proof theory that might as well be the case. He probably bought the case himself from the company or perhaps through Connors. But since it looked like Oscorp was creating in the movie on a massive production line, it would seem it would be sold to the public.

And in the movie, it looked like Peter formulated his own recreation of it, if not made a more effective formula. And at that point, it might as well be untraceable.

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