It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's the Superman Costume Thread! - Part 1

[The Shield]

It takes a special person to stick to their guns... but geez, that just does not look good on that suit.

[BATS N' HORNETS]

i disagree!

[StarvingArtist]

Originally Posted by Dr.

I don’t think it ever did. Not many complaints that mens’ business suits lack a splash of red contrast at the pelvis to “break up” the monochrome.

As you say, it’s what people are used to. And if they don’t like the change, fair enough. But a design/fashion principle isn’t being violated.

You can't compare Superman's suit to a business suit.

On the flip-side, if people didn't have such a hang-up about Superman wearing (what look like) trunks on the outside of his costume, maybe they would appreciate the more even distribution of red across the suit as opposed to having a big blue gap.

Considering the suit started out that way, and people didn't seem to mind it for 50 years, maybe that should lend that argument at least a little bit of weight.

[Kal-El.9859]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

personally, i still prefer a design that includes the trunks...

the trunks look absolutely ridiculous on this suit...and I'm pro-trunks

[Rust]

That's because you cant really have both like it is. Or the trunks need to be more discrete. Smaller somehow.

[StarvingArtist]

Trunks have never worked with a Superman suit of alien origin imo.

[Kal-El.9859]

Originally Posted by Rust

That's because you cant really have both like it is. Or the trunks need to be more discrete. Smaller somehow.

smaller as in...non-existent? ok!

[Whiskey Tango]

Originally Posted by StarvingArtist

Considering the suit started out that way, and people didn't seem to mind it for 50 years, maybe that should lend that argument at least a little bit of weight.

People didn't mind taking their dumps in the woods either, until Teddy Roosevelt invented indoor plumbing. Times change.

[Kal-El.9859]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango

People didn't mind taking their dumps in the woods either, until Teddy Roosevelt invented indoor plumbing. Times change.

I don't wanna poo in the woods...

[spidermanJLA!~]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango

People didn't mind taking their dumps in the woods either, until Teddy Roosevelt invented indoor plumbing. Times change.

You can't compare Superman's suit to taking a dump!

[BATS N' HORNETS]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango

People didn't mind taking their dumps in the woods either, until Teddy Roosevelt invented indoor plumbing. Times change.

By that logic, it would be okay for Batman to lose his ears and cape as well. The times change argument doesn't hold up to absolutes like mythological heroes such as Superman!

[fanboiii]

Originally Posted by spidermanJLA!~

You can't compare Superman's suit to taking a dump!

It begs the question: Did he now start wearing the briefs inside after getting super turd on his suit all these years?

[StarvingArtist]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango

People didn't mind taking their dumps in the woods either, until Teddy Roosevelt invented indoor plumbing. Times change.

I think you may be missing the point...

I'm talking purely about seeing passed one's own biases and only factoring in distribution of color. Yes, Circuses were popular back in the day. So I'm speculating that S&S only chose red circus strong man trunks as a way of spreading the color more evenly over the suit. Forget for a second that trunks on the outside look silly and stupid today. If you judge the costume in terms of simple blocks of color, then just maybe a dash of red in the middle is more pleasing to the eye then a disproportion amount of blue between two areas of red.

[Whiskey Tango]

Originally Posted by BATS N' HORNETS

The times change argument doesn't hold up to absolutes like mythological heroes such as Superman!

Apparently someone thinks it does, or they wouldn't have removed them for fear of it being ridiculed. Meanwhile I don't see anyone making jokes about Batman's cape.

All I'm saying is 'because that's the way they did it 50 years ago' isn't a very good excuse to not try and improve on something.

Whether it's an improvement or not is up for every individual to decide. Personally I think they made the right call. Don't agree? Sorry, it happens.

[DKDetective]

Originally Posted by StarvingArtist

Trunks have never worked with a Superman suit of alien origin imo.

Very True! If you really think about it, the monochromatic jumpsuit/unitard has become synonymous with the depiction of futuristic or alien fashions in pop culture over the past few decades:







The trunks, as much as I love them, detract from the minimalistic sleekness and utilitarianism that we have come to associate with futuristic styling. They are more suggestive of circus strongmen and old school athletic apparel. Thus, in terms of conveying a sense of alienness and technological advancement through a Kryptonian supersuit, it makes more sense to ditch the trunks.

[spidermanJLA!~]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango

Apparently someone thinks it does, or they wouldn't have removed them for fear of it being ridiculed. Meanwhile I don't see anyone making jokes about Batman's cape.

All I'm saying is 'because that's the way they did it 50 years ago' isn't a very good excuse to not try and improve on something.

Whether it's an improvement or not is up for every individual to decide. Personally I think they made the right call. Don't agree? Sorry, it happens.

I think ridiculing and laughing about the trunks alone is not seeing the character or being concerned with Superman. I don't see it as an improvement, but rather as a style change.

[Dr.]

Originally Posted by StarvingArtist

You can't compare Superman's suit to a business suit.

But it’s sometimes alleged that the need to “break up” a solid block of color is some sort of universal design principle. So alluding to accepted fashion examples where this principle isn’t applied would seem to be valid.

On the flip-side, if people didn't have such a hang-up about Superman wearing (what look like) trunks on the outside of his costume, maybe they would appreciate the more even distribution of red across the suit as opposed to having a big blue gap.

Considering the suit started out that way, and people didn't seem to mind it for 50 years, maybe that should lend that argument at least a little bit of weight.

Oh, it does. In my estimation, tradition is the best (and likely only) argument for retaining the trunks.

But the flip side of that is that what worked for the first 50 years may not have been working for the last 25. Times change, tastes change; and the trunks (through no fault of their own ) seem to have accumulated some negative associations.

[StarvingArtist]

Originally Posted by Dr.

But it’s sometimes alleged that the need to “break up” a solid block of color is some sort of universal design principle. So alluding to accepted fashion examples where this principle isn’t applied would seem to be valid.

I wouldn't say it's a universal design principle exactly. But I think it's a heck of a reach to compare two wholly different designs as evidence that what works for one will work for another.

Originally Posted by Dr.

Oh, it does. In my estimation, tradition is the best (and likely only) argument for retaining the trunks.

But the flip side of that is that what worked for the first 50 years may not have been working for the last 25. Times change, tastes change; and the trunks (through no fault of their own ) seem to have accumulated some negative associations.

I agree. But I will post this again because it more succinctly summarizes my argument:

I'm talking purely about seeing passed one's own biases and only factoring in distribution of color. Yes, Circuses were popular back in the day. So I'm speculating that S&S only chose red circus strong man trunks as a way of spreading the color more evenly over the suit. Forget for a second that trunks on the outside look silly and stupid today. If you judge the costume in terms of simple blocks of color, then just maybe a dash of red in the middle is more pleasing to the eye then a disproportion amount of blue between two areas of red.

Originally Posted by DKDetective

Very True! If you really think about it, the monochromatic jumpsuit/unitard has become synonymous with the depiction of futuristic or alien fashions in pop culture over the past few decades:

The trunks, as much as I love them, detract from the minimalistic sleekness and utilitarianism that we have come to associate with futuristic styling. They are more suggestive of circus strongmen and old school athletic apparel. Thus, in terms of conveying a sense of alienness and technological advancement through a Kryptonian supersuit, it makes more sense to ditch the trunks.

I couldn't agree more.

But then again you're still left with a giant cape... a red S... and red boots.

The suit still strains credibility as a utilitarian alien garment to me. Ergo, I've always though the all out alien origin is stupid.

[Kal-El.9859]

Originally Posted by BATS N' HORNETS

By that logic, it would be okay for Batman to lose his ears and cape as well. The times change argument doesn't hold up to absolutes like mythological heroes such as Superman!

no, because then Batman would cease to look like Batman...trunks don't make Superman look like Superman

[Llama_Shepherd]

Originally Posted by Kal-El.9859

no, because then Batman would cease to look like Batman...trunks don't make Superman look like Superman

Yup, it was a silly comparison. Superman's suit is "Superman" because it is red, blue and yellow, with a big red \S/ blue suit and red cape.

Batman is Batman because of his bat motif's. Take them away and he's just Manman.

[StarvingArtist]

Originally Posted by Llama_Shepherd

Batman is Batman because of his bat motif's. Take them away and he's just Manman.

HAHAHA, hello new signature

[Llama_Shepherd]

[Kal-El.9859]

Originally Posted by Llama_Shepherd

Yup, it was a silly comparison. Superman's suit is "Superman" because it is red, blue and yellow, with a big red \S/ blue suit and red cape.

Batman is Batman because of his bat motif's. Take them away and he's just Manman.

I agree 100%

[Dr.]

Originally Posted by StarvingArtist

I wouldn't say it's a universal design principle exactly. But I think it's a heck of a reach to compare two wholly different designs as evidence that what works for one will work for another.

True. But if the “trunks are needed to break up the color” argument is complicated and nuanced and applies mostly to Superman (and not so much to, say, Flash or Captain Marvel) then this complexity and nuance should be acknowledged. The more general/categorical claim is what invites the counter examples (from trouble makers like me ).

[Kal-El.9859]

Flash don't need no stinkin trunks