Bryan Singer Directing X-Men: Days of Future Past - Part 2

[GuestStar2004]

Originally Posted by Marv

It doesn't make sense to make a direct sequel to X3 now. Specially when the events of Days of Future Past will change the events that transpired in the original trilogy. This movie represents the closest we'll get to an "X4" in that it reunites the cast of X3 in a supporting nature.

It's not even a question of "why?" would the studio want to make a sequel to X3 but rather "How?" could they do it now that the timeline where X3 existed has been altered by the events of Days of Future Past.

you almost sound sure about this but when was it said the trilogy timeline would be changed because of DOFP?

[Marv]

Originally Posted by GuestStar2004

you almost sound sure about this but when was it said the trilogy timeline would be changed because of DOFP?

Well, it has to be changed. They're not going back in time to 2006. They're going back in time to 1973. The events of the original trilogy will most definitely be altered.

[Angamb]

when many of us say "X4" were are not saying a direct sequel to Last Stand. Its just the concept: A sequel set in present time, with the full original cast, or most of them.

Whatever the timeline is, or the supposed year of the events, it would be like an X4.

And of course, they wouldnt name it X-Men 4. Last Stand wasnt X-men 3. Thats not the point of the the discussion we have been having all this months. so lets hope the number "4" isnt a factor for upcoming weeks, lol

[Marv]

Originally Posted by Angamb

when many of us say "X4" were are not saying a direct sequel to Last Stand. Its just the concept: A sequel set in present time, with the full original cast, or most of them.

But see that's the thing, a sequel set in the "present" time wouldn't make sense because said present time no longer exists. It would be like making a sequel to Biff's world in Back to The Future 2.

The present is up in the air now & whatever it ends up being in the conclusion of Days of Future Past, I can't see the studio choosing to follow up on that instead of making a sequel starring the 1973 cast.

[def28]

Originally Posted by Marv

It doesn't make sense to make a direct sequel to X3 now.Specially when the events of Days of Future Past will change the events that transpired in the original trilogy.This movie represents the closest we'll get to an "X4" in that it reunites the cast of X3 in a supporting nature.

Yeah, this is how I see it. I think they can still make more X flicks with some of the original cast, but things are gonna be too different at that point to call it X4. Its been said The Wolverine, FC and DOFP are in a way the new starting point anyways.

[GuestStar2004]

Originally Posted by def28

Yeah, this is how I see it. I think they can still make more X flicks with some of the original cast, but things are gonna be too different at that point to call it X4. Its been said The Wolverine, FC and DOFP are in a way the new starting point anyways.

its a shame it couldn't change the phoenix stuff with cyclops death but that may be a too big a change to ask for

[Wolvieboy17]

Cyclops death was never actually shown on screen. It's perfectly acceptable that it could be explained away, if they wanted to.

It's funny because Cyclops is doing so well in the comics ATM but we've still never seen him properly on film.

[Angamb]

Originally Posted by Marv

But see that's the thing, a sequel set in the "present" time wouldn't make sense because said present time no longer exists.

the present would be our present. Just because DOFP could change the timeline, that doesnt mean the whole x-men world dissapears, lol

the thing is, with Marvel creating a shared universe set in present time, and Warner doing the same in the near future, I highly doubt wont do the same, and just stick in the past for the rest of this decade.

As many fans have said many times on the board or any other site out there, the most famous characters are Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops, Rogue, Iceman, Gambit, Beast....... but Fox cant use them in the past, so thats why they are probably tempted to move to the present sooner rather than later.

[Legion]

Originally Posted by Marv

But see that's the thing, a sequel set in the "present" time wouldn't make sense because said present time no longer exists. It would be like making a sequel to Biff's world in Back to The Future 2.

The present is up in the air now & whatever it ends up being in the conclusion of Days of Future Past, I can't see the studio choosing to follow up on that instead of making a sequel starring the 1973 cast.

You're saying this with a lot of certainty. It doesn't make sense that Fox would make The Wolverine take place after X3 and then completely change the timeline...in a movie released a year later. It would make that movie seem pointless.

Also if you're going by the comics...when Kitty returned to the future she found that nothing had changed.

This has already been discussed before...but these films take a lot of liberties when adapting the stories that inspired them. I do not expect a very close adaption. That being said there is already one big difference between the comics and what has been described...or many people are assuming what will happen in the film. In the comics the "past" was our present. What many people think will happen is that the catastrophic will take place in the 70's since it was said that the majority of the film would take place in the 70's.

So how does this event that has already happened in the past (because it is part of our past) impact our world 30+ years later? My guess is that the time traveler is the culprit and their actions change the future.

[Marv]

Originally Posted by Angamb

the present would be our present. Just because DOFP could change the timeline, that doesnt mean the whole x-men world dissapears

"Our" present would not be anything like the present of the original trilogy. You can't make an X-Men sequel with Jackman, Berry, Page, Paquin, Ashmore, Grammer & Foster if the characters they play don't even know each other in the new "present".

The new present is not the present at the end of X3 or Days of Future Past. That's why it makes a sequel starring that ensemble highly unlikely and nonsensical.

[Marv]

Originally Posted by Legion

So how does this event that has already happened in the past (because it is part of our past) impact our world 30+ years later? My guess is that the time traveler is the culprit and their actions change the future.

The event of 1973 gave birth to the events of the original trilogy, the Wolverine films & the present of Days of Future Past. The time traveler's actions as he or she goes back to 1973 will forever change the events of the original trilogy and the Wolverine films.

Days of Future Past at the end of the day is still First Class 2. The next X-Men film will most probably continue the story of the 1973 ensemble.

[X-Maniac]

Originally Posted by Marv

"Our" present would not be anything like the present of the original trilogy. You can't make an X-Men sequel with Jackman, Berry, Page, Paquin, Ashmore, Grammer & Foster if the characters they play don't even know each other in the new "present".

The new present is not the present at the end of X3 or Days of Future Past. That's why it makes a sequel starring that ensemble highly unlikely and nonsensical.

It depends how much is affected by changing the past. It needn't be a total rewrite, more than likely that key events happened differently or not at all. It doesn't erase everything.

[Angamb]

Originally Posted by Marv

"Our" present would not be anything like the present of the original trilogy. You can't make an X-Men sequel with Jackman, Berry, Page, Paquin, Ashmore, Grammer & Foster if the characters they play don't even know each other in the new "present".

The new present is not the present at the end of X3 or Days of Future Past. That's why it makes a sequel starring that ensemble highly unlikely and nonsensical.

and do you really think Singer or Fox would decide to remove all the relationships between these well known x-men instead of changing just a few things here and there?

from a studio point of view, that would be to kill your big franchise.

Do you really think Fox would want to kill the present world of the x-men to just do a sequel set in the 80's and then keep moving just with spin-offs?

which studio would want that?

[def28]

Originally Posted by Angamb

and do you really think Singer or Fox would decide to remove all the relationships between these well known x-men instead of changing just a few things here and there?

from a studio point of view, that would be to kill your big franchise.

Do you really think Fox would want to kill the present world of the x-men to just do a sequel set in the 80's and then keep moving just with spin-offs?

which studio would want that?

I dont think they really care how much is kept. People were pretty pissed off last we saw them in X3.

People complain all the time about Storm, Cylclops, Iceman and Rogue. If they rebooted them or erased part of their histroy in an Alt timeline whats really to be missed? Those characters can all do more anyways. IN all honesty those characters sell regardless of who plays them or what little has been developed with them 10 years ago. Fox knows they have dropped the ball. DOFP is clean up to get back on track and start fresh, while not screwing over fans of the original.

[Marv]

Originally Posted by Angamb

and do you really think Singer or Fox would decide to remove all the relationships between these well known x-men instead of changing just a few things here and there?

from a studio point of view, that would be to kill your big franchise.

Do you really think Fox would want to kill the present world of the x-men to just do a sequel set in the 80's and then keep moving just with spin-offs?

which studio would want that?

They're no longer spin-offs.

There are two franchises: Wolverine & the X-Men. Days of Future Past is the second film in this new franchise. First Class was the first. There will be a third and yes it will be set either in the 70s or 80s. The franchise that starred Jackman, McKellen & Stewart is done. The only reason we get to see that expired ensemble once more is that its pivotal to the story Days of Future Past is trying to tell.

The studio isn't killing their new franchise by letting go of the old one. They're using the old one in this film to sell the new one. First Class didn't do well at the box office. Days of Future Past probably will and the third film down the line probably will too.

[Cherry]

Originally Posted by Marv

They're no longer spin-offs.

There are two franchises: Wolverine & the X-Men. Days of Future Past is the second film in this new franchise. First Class was the first. There will be a third and yes it will be set either in the 70s or 80s. The franchise that starred Jackman, McKellen & Stewart is done. The only reason we get to see that expired ensemble once more is that its pivotal to the story Days of Future Past is trying to tell.

The studio isn't killing their new franchise by letting go of the old one. They're using the old one in this film to sell the new one. First Class didn't do well at the box office. Days of Future Past probably will and the third film down the line probably will too.

Gee, it must be nice to be Bryan Singer's best friend and have knowledge that hasn't been released to the public yet...

[Marv]

Originally Posted by Cherry

Gee, it must be nice to be Bryan Singer's best friend and have knowledge that hasn't been released to the public yet...

I don't need a press release to know we won't be seeing any Star Trek sequels starring William Shatner & Leonard Nimoy anytime soon. Same goes for a direct sequel to X3.

With the timeline being readjusted in Days of Future Past, the chances of an "X4" went from possible to highly unlikely.

"We get to bring both casts back together… I’m taking into account every movie – I’m not just grabbing my first two movies and First Class and smashing them together. I’m taking into account the entire universe as it’s been laid out so far on the screen, and really respecting it and trying to work with that. People took things in various directions, so there’s some clean-up. But ultimately I’m not just ignoring them either. We’ve cracked it in a way that it makes sense. I had a two-hour conversation with James Cameron about time travel, string theory, multiverses and all that. You have to create your rules and stick with them. That’s why Terminator and Back To The Future work so well. And there are certain mechanisms in X-Men, certain powers, perceptions and characters, that make this possible."

You don't do Star Trek VII starring Nimoy & Shatner when you have Star Trek Into Darkness starring Pine & Cumberbatch coming out soon.

Its the same with the new X-Men series. The next film will continue the story of McAvoy's X-Men & their battles with Fassbender's Brotherhood. You don't make a sequel about characters who's history & adventures in the series exist now only in alternate timelines.

[Duran Man]

I don't see why they wouldn't make movies from both timelines.

[X-Maniac]

Originally Posted by Marv

I don't need a press release to know we won't be seeing any Star Trek sequels starring William Shatner & Leonard Nimoy anytime soon. Same goes for a direct sequel to X3.

With the timeline being readjusted in Days of Future Past, the chances of an "X4" went from possible to highly unlikely.

"We get to bring both casts back together… I’m taking into account every movie – I’m not just grabbing my first two movies and First Class and smashing them together. I’m taking into account the entire universe as it’s been laid out so far on the screen, and really respecting it and trying to work with that. People took things in various directions, so there’s some clean-up. But ultimately I’m not just ignoring them either. We’ve cracked it in a way that it makes sense. I had a two-hour conversation with James Cameron about time travel, string theory, multiverses and all that. You have to create your rules and stick with them. That’s why Terminator and Back To The Future work so well. And there are certain mechanisms in X-Men, certain powers, perceptions and characters, that make this possible."

You don't do Star Trek VII starring Nimoy & Shatner when you have Star Trek Into Darkness starring Pine & Cumberbatch coming out soon.

Its the same with the new X-Men series. The next film will continue the story of McAvoy's X-Men & their battles with Fassbender's Brotherhood. You don't make a sequel about characters who's history & adventures in the series exist now only in alternate timelines.

I wouldn't be so certain. We don't know exactly what they have in mind. If they do Age of Apocalypse, that happens in the future not in the 80s - in the animated series, it was what happened in the future after DoFP. Plus, there seems quite a demand to bring back Famke Janssen, James Marsden, Alan Cumming etc.

[Kreative T]

I tired of waiting for X-men movies, we need a X-men TV show, like shield.

It should be called Xavier. The show should be about all mutants from around the world that attend Xavier school for the gifted.

That would be awesome.

[Angamb]

what about "Gifted"?

like a nod to the shool name?

[X-Maniac]

Originally Posted by Kreative T

I tired of waiting for X-men movies, we need a X-men TV show, like shield.

It should be called Xavier. The show should be about all mutants from around the world that attend Xavier school for the gifted.

That would be awesome.

It would be awesome. Marvel Studios has the rights to TV shows for the X-Men, I think. I don't think Fox has the TV rights.

[Parker Wayne]

I believe all they sold were movie rights, but the thing is they don't have the rights to use movie characters in a live action tv show, which would create complications.

[Hawkingbird]

Originally Posted by Duran Man

I don't see why they wouldn't make movies from both timelines.

That would be complicated, messy and stupid.

[Angamb]

stupid would be to lost the chance to make a huge boxoffice with full original cast back.

The FC cast can do sequels anytime, right after DOFP or some years later, since the age factor would be positive.