All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 26

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[Kevin Smith]

Originally Posted by BH/HHH

Maybe the oil rig scene is the first time he's used his powers in years. It might be the equivilant of a normal human lifting weights after months off from the gym.

I like that idea actually. He's just got to wake himself up again. It's all in his head.

[BH/HHH]

Yeah that's what I meant. I mean I know from experience if u stop exercising as regularly you don't know your limits so you have to find them again and u don't know if u can push harder to start with.

[dark_b]

i think the studio will make him stronger with every movie. that way they can have bigger action scenes with sequels. i dont think this is how superman is in the comics but it works with movies.

[herolee10]

I do hope that aside from the big fights that Superman ends up having with Zod and Co. that we get to see him placed in a situation in the film that really involves a lot of tension and suspense when it comes to a moment where he's trying to save people from a disaster and that it's really executed well; heck, I think it was Hopefuldreamer who mentioned awhile back that if they could film a scene involving Superman saving a bunch of people from a train crash in a great way, using their POV's as they're being rescued that it can really end up being a powerful scene.

[titansupes]

Originally Posted by herolee10

I do hope that aside from the big fights that Superman ends up having with Zod and Co. that we get to see him placed in a situation in the film that really involves a lot of tension and suspense when it comes to a moment where he's trying to save people from a disaster and that it's really executed well; heck, I think it was Hopefuldreamer who mentioned awhile back that if they could film a scene involving Superman saving a bunch of people from a train crash in a great way, using their POV's as they're being rescued that it can really end up being a powerful scene.

From the looks of it, the Oil Rig scene may provide something like that. Maybe even during the battle(s) with Zod and Co.

God, this movie can't get here fast enough.

[BH/HHH]

Well they did do a scene at a train station so who knows.

I really can't wait for this film

[herolee10]

It's amazing on how we still know so little about this film given the fact that it's being released within a few months from now.

[Smallville13]

We're chewing through these open discussion threads!

It seems the marketing has been constantly under fire from this board ever since the first teaser trailer 'underwhelmed' most here.

I'm curious what changes would people here have made to the marketing so far. The comic-con trailer with TDKR perhaps? A Superbowl spot goes without saying. More photos? More viral marketing?

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by Smallville13

We're chewing through these open discussion threads!

It seems the marketing has been constantly under fire from this board ever since the first teaser trailer 'underwhelmed' most here.

I'm curious what changes would people here have made to the marketing so far. The comic-con trailer with TDKR perhaps? A Superbowl spot goes without saying. More photos? More viral marketing?

I would have definitely gone with the comic-con trailer for the first teaser and I would have presented like a montage of clips instead at CC.

And by now, I would have preferred them OFFICIALLY releasing HQ stills of Jor-el, Zod, and Lois at least by now, along with having given us a action packed superbowl spot and a few more other stills.

[STARMAN]

I know I'm in the minority but I would not feel any more confident in MOS box office success if they had a SB add.

Secondly, as others have pointed out the foreign box office titles are very important. ASM did okay domestically but was huge oversees. So did Men in Black 3. Prometheus made more oversees. Even movies that bombed in the US had decent foreign totals such as John Carter and Battleship. MOS needs to score oversees too.

[ConnorKon-El]

The overseas BO total of MOS will be very interesting.

[Smallville13]

Sigh I fear the wait for April will be tough.

Surely some new pics will come out for us soon...

[hopefuldreamer]

Originally Posted by herolee10

I do hope that aside from the big fights that Superman ends up having with Zod and Co. that we get to see him placed in a situation in the film that really involves a lot of tension and suspense when it comes to a moment where he's trying to save people from a disaster and that it's really executed well; heck, I think it was Hopefuldreamer who mentioned awhile back that if they could film a scene involving Superman saving a bunch of people from a train crash in a great way, using their POV's as they're being rescued that it can really end up being a powerful scene.

Originally Posted by BH/HHH

Well they did do a scene at a train station so who knows.

I really can't wait for this film

Yup, that's my dream.

It's a little worrying though, to want something so specific and have imagined it out in your head as much as I have. I really don't want to be dissapointed if there is nothing like that in the film, or if there is but it's just not that great

And yeah, I just wanna cryogenically freeze myself for 4 months Cannot wait much longer!

[Smallville13]

Loved this.

Grant Morrison:

I think what remains is a Superman [who] is a bit more proactive and more masculine in the sense that he gets things done. He's got a little bit of a sense of humor, and he's tough again. You can knock him down, and he'll get up. I think the best thing that it's done ultimately is to get rid of that weird emo Superman that was around for a long time. He was constantly fighting against using his powers and was kind of angst-driven.

Link

Hopefully the Alaska scenes of the film are not of emo Supes.

[Rust]

Dunno if this was posted - http://www.scifinow.co.uk/news/33956...g-200-million/

Wow, this Mark Millar must be butthurt or something, because obviously they can make a JL-movie work if they put some effort into it. They can (hopefully) make Superman work and then it's just a question of applying the same recipe. Just be very creative and make some changes here and there and just make every character work within the story. Really.

I'm not necessarily pro a JL-movie, but this is just ass-talking.

[ConnorKon-El]

The avengers worked. But yes, I get what Mark is saying. It's going to be a hard challenge, another reason WB needs to slow down on fast releasing JLA in 2015.

[BH/HHH]

Millar's just a douche bag, he constantly contradicts himself

[Rust]

Originally Posted by ConnorKon-El

The avengers worked. But yes, I get what Mark is saying. It's going to be a hard challenge, another reason WB needs to slow down on fast releasing JLA in 2015.

Of course it can be done. But not by just anyone. It's going to take a HUGE effort, so maybe that's what he's referring to when looking at the track-record of Hollywood's failed attempts at CBMs. The likelyhood of it failing.

[fanboiii]

“I actually think the big problem for them is the characters are just too out of date,” said Millar, talking exclusively to SciFiNow. “The characters were created 75 years ago, even the newest major character was created 68 years ago, so they’re in a really weird time.”

Does Mark Millar read comics or does he just write them? DC characters have been updated as much as Marvel. It doesn't matter when they were created.

The Flash has door handles on the side of his mask and if he doesn’t wear that mask, I’ll be pissed off, you know what I mean? They’re in a weird, weird situation

So does Captain America and Thor. Millar is farting out his mouth.

[Glassjaw]

I've never read a JL title before but I bought Volume 1 of JL: Origins the other day (Geoff Johns/Jim Lee) and I thoroughly enjoyed it, and even saw how it's sort of got the blueprints to do a team movie where you introduce the team for the first time there. Difficult sure, but definitely do-able. Importantly, Supe's needs to be the world's first superhero, and it sounds like that might be what's happening with MoS and Justice League then arriving afterwards, having Goyer write the Superman parts.

I get Millar's points, there are massive challenges facing a JL film, but if a film maker does it right, those problems don't come close to surfacing during the film.

Five years ago you could have said similar stuff about the problems an Avengers film would have. I can imagine Millar 5 years ago saying 'How can you have Robert Downey Jr's Stark, in this real world created by Iron Man 1, next to a god from Asgard talking in Shakespearian? Audiences just arn't going to buy it and its a great way to lose $200 million.'

[Marvin]

At the very least the project needs some good development time, and without a director or major casting or even producing even announced, it's almost assured that this project will be rushed. I mean even MoS was rolling at this same point in it's release schedule and it's alot less complicated than any JLA movie.

What's funny is that the casting for that film will have long time ramifications on the future dc releases, yet another benefit of the marvel approach to universe/franchise building.

I'll say this much, had avengers simply been released after that one iron man movie it would have made a fraction of it's Box Office. WB is going to embarrass themselves releasing their rushed Avengers movie the same year as the sequel to Avengers. A film guaranteed to have even more success than it's original.

That being said, all this worry about JLA and not one person seems worried about that wonky guardians movie? A racoon and a tree and post whedon everything marvel does seems like some sort of sure thing.

[hopefuldreamer]

I don't really see what he's saying tbh, or why the age of the characters is the main hinderance.

I've not got a particularly positive outlook on JL. But that's not because I think the characters themselves don't work on the big screen... I think anyone suggesting them just lacks imagination about how they can be adapted.

I'm mostly just skeptical because it doesn't feel like this film is being made because the right writer/director came up with an amazing idea for doing it and the studio decided to take a chance because they believed in it.

It seems more like they have decided to make a movie based on Avengers success, and have just gone for the 'best' idea/script available at the moment and are just hoping they can force something great out of that so that they can 'keep up' with Marvel.

Now I'm not saying it's impossible that it could end up being great. But it's just not got the same promise as MOS does.

Yes, MOS may have come about partly because of the lawsuit. But it's not like they just went on a Superman script hunt and picked out the best one. Nolan came to THEM with the idea, and it was because a great idea came to Goyer naturally on a whim.

The elements in place for this film are just much stronger, and it's such a shame that they couldn't just build that into a franchise without trying to blend the two.

[protocida]

Mark Millar is a pretty childish guy. Back when he was just running Millarworld, he was neutral to Justice League. Now that he's running the Marvel movies made by Fox, he's against it. It's pretty obvious.