The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion - - - - - - Part 25

[Matt Mortem]

Originally Posted by SymbioticToxin

And he was never heard from again....*tumble weed rolls by*
Anyway, what were we talking about before hand?

Batman

[SymbioticToxin]

Before that, I mean.

[Matt Mortem]

Originally Posted by SymbioticToxin

Before that, I mean.

Superman? I'm so confused.

[SymbioticToxin]

*sigh* Let's just go back to talkin' Spidey.

[Matt Mortem]

Originally Posted by SymbioticToxin

*sigh* Let's just go back to talkin' Spidey.

Agreed!

[Anno_Domini]

Did someone really say they didn't care about what a mod had to say?

[SymbioticToxin]

I would think it'd be you who became so defiant, Anno
Kidding, of course.

[Anno_Domini]

True, lol, but I wouldn't be so defiant when defending Webb's film, haha.

[BatLobsterRises]

Just watched the film again for the first time since the summer and something stood out to me towards the end, in the scene where Peter breaks the promise in English class. The teacher has a few lines that seem deliberately self-referential, even more so than I initially realized.

First, she tells the class that there's only one storyline in all of fiction: "Who am I?" Definitely a bit of deja vu hearing those famous words from the end of the original Spider-Man being uttered again towards the end of this one.

And then what really stood out to me was the very last lines of the movie before it goes to the final swing. "Okay class, open your books let's begin on page one." This is more subtle, but I took that as a little nod to the idea of the reboot, and as a way of saying the story is just beginning.

Anyway, I thought that was pretty cool. In one scene it referenced the original movie and tried to distinguish itself at the same time. Apologies if this was pointed out months ago haha, I haven't followed the forums too closely.

[Anno_Domini]

The "Who am I?" line wasn't the only bit of deja vu TAS-M had.

[BatLobsterRises]

^^ Haha, agreed, but that was one moment where I felt it was a little more tasteful.

Overall though, the difference between this film and Batman Begins (and I'm sorry to compare them, but as of now they are the first two full-on reboots for superhero films) is that Batman Begins made you actually forget there were any films that came before. For the most part it just existed on its own terms ("I'm Batman" is the one moment that felt like a nod to the first film). Whereas this one, with the retelling the origin, almost had to draw attention to the fact that things were being done differently. It felt a bit like it was justifying its existence in places.

I think this also shows that the studios are not going to be able too keep rebooting things forever. They barely got away with it this time, and they took a lot of heat for it. Just imagine if they try re-telling Spidey's origin again in another 10 years. I'm pretty sure there'd be fanboy protests

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by BatLobsterRises

Overall though, the difference between this film and Batman Begins (and I'm sorry to compare them, but as of now they are the first two full-on reboots for superhero films) is that Batman Begins made you actually forget there were any films that came before. For the most part it just existed on its own terms ("I'm Batman" is the one moment that felt like a nod to the first film). Whereas this one, with the retelling the origin, almost had to draw attention to the fact that things were being done differently. It felt a bit like it was justifying its existence in places.

Yah, I can agree to this. Also, imo, watching TAS-M made me think about the '02 film even more and had me comparing the origins since the two films' difference was only the villain, a different love interest and the side plot of Peter's parents.

I think this also shows that the studios are not going to be able too keep rebooting things forever. They barely got away with it this time, and they took a lot of heat for it. Just imagine if they try re-telling Spidey's origin again in another 10 years. I'm pretty sure there'd be fanboy protests

And what they're getting away with is giving us a very incomplete Spider-Man film to make it seem like a serialized version and that isn't always a good thing. It works with a second film in a series, but definitely not the first when you want the hero to have accomplished something by the end, not make you wonder if he's going to accomplish something in the sequel.

Hopefully, the next time won't be a straight up origin reboot though. Something that starts off like TSSM would be my preference for the next time.

[BatLobsterRises]

I agree. Next time they have to recast, get a new director...just go with an established universe. It should be a very, very long time before we ever see Spider-Man's origin story told on screen again.

[Spider-Aziz]

Ok, I'm finally watching this film again, fourth view
*First camera is the kind with film, chamber opens, no film? No one removed it, and it didn't fall
*Peter did what Gwen said, something foolish, but brave
*I still love it that Flash hates the name Eugene
*Let's ignore the nitpicks about Bing and Dr. Curt Cockings, cause if no one used Bing they'd be off search engine companies chart, and Dr. Cockings is real
That move Peter did with the intern card is douchey, but who never made a douchey move? Newborn infants aside
*Gwen defending Peter is one wrong added to another, and he's one she does not know much beyond face, name, how bright he might be, and being in her class in high school
*Alright, so a high school student having that position in Oscorp we see Gwen hold is a bit far from grounded, she's not shown as the prodigy with the need to skip school straight to higher learning at early age, she's there in a regular high school.
*Peter passing by the evil Dr. who holds info about his father is luck, I can give it that, focusing on the move of Dr. Ratha's hand and memorizing his motion from distance is a bit far fetched, a bit

[Ursa]

I just watched the movie last night...and I didn't like it.

It's impossible not to compare with the previous movies, the reboot was made too soon. And the previous were far better, this is just better than the third one.

The "Amazing" Spider-Man is just meh. ¬¬

[Picard Sisko]

Its possible not to compare to the previous movies.

[Spider-Aziz]

I stopped repeating it's made too soon
Problem is, it's not done well

[SymbioticToxin]

Originally Posted by Picard Sisko

Its possible not to compare to the previous movies.

This

[Ursa]

Originally Posted by Picard Sisko

Its possible not to compare to the previous movies.

Not comparing...it's just a forgettable movie. Not a fun experience.

IMO.

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by Ursa

And the previous were far better, this is just better than the third one.

Always agree to this.

Originally Posted by Picard Sisko

Its possible not to compare to the previous movies.

Only because when they're so much alike. No one compares Batman Begins and Batman '89.

It's still up in the air(no pun intended) if Superman: The Movie and Man of Steel will be compared. I'd say it won't because while they both deal with the origins again, the films are decades apart.

[Ursa]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

Always agree to this.



Only because when they're so much alike. No one compares Batman Begins and Batman '89.

It's still up in the air(no pun intended) if Superman: The Movie and Man of Steel will be compared. I'd say it won't because while they both deal with the origins again, the films are decades apart.

Agreed.

[Spider-Aziz]

When did Ben find the time to record his voice for Peter? What was his point?
I still give the movie a 7.8/10, it sure doesn't get better on repeated view, they're lucky I don't give it less

[SymbioticToxin]

It wasn't a recording, it was a message he left on Peter's phone. I think it was when he went out looking for him after they fought or before that, can't remember.

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by Spider-Aziz

When did Ben find the time to record his voice for Peter? What was his point?
I still give the movie a 7.8/10, it sure doesn't get better on repeated view, they're lucky I don't give it less

Told ya, lol.

Originally Posted by SymbioticToxin

It wasn't a recording, it was a message he left on Peter's phone. I think it was when he went out looking for him after they fought or before that, can't remember.

Yah, when you see him passing that street, he grabs at his phone and I also believe we see Peter's phone lighting up while he's on that bridge but he doesn't answer it. Although, Ben's tone is quite different in that voice message, so it's weird.

[Spider-Aziz]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

Told ya, lol.

And I found we agree on this
Had to see how I view the movie myself, cause we disagree how great Spider-Man 2 is