Discussion: The DEMOCRATIC Party III

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[Schlosser85]

But I have to ask, just -how much- of an impact can these isolated instances have on the results of a -national election-, primary or otherwise? You have these instances happening to hundreds, or even thousands of people, but these national elections are won by thousands, or even tens and hundreds of thousands of votes.

Sometimes a few thousand votes decide an election.

Also, even if it "only" happens to a few hundred people, that's still unacceptable.

And I'm also sure that if we wanted to find it, we could find the same types of things happening on the right as well

Everyone here knows I'm a liberal, but "the right does it too" is no excuse.

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Originally Posted by Kelly

Gosh...and who caused the housing bubble...which in turn threw the financial market into turmoil.

So Barney Frank was singularly responsible for the housing bubble bursting? I believe the truth is a good deal more complicated than how you're depicting it. And it most definitely is right-wing spin to say Dodd and Frank are the "main culprits" of the 2008 economic collapse.

[Kelly]

Did not say even once that Frank singularly was responsible for anything...wow, way to read into a post. I think he's an idiot, that's just my opinion, you have yours that's fine. : )

[moviedoors]

It may not have been singular, but come on Kelly:

Gosh...and who caused the housing bubble...which in turn threw the financial market into turmoil. YES, all of those things had something to do with where we are now....but no rightwing friendly spin...what Dodd and Frank did, AND DID NOT ALLOW to happen was the main culprit. No spin there...

Where you place the blame seems clear.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by JJJ's Ulcer

So Barney Frank was singularly responsible for the housing bubble bursting? I believe the truth is a good deal more complicated than how you're depicting it. And it most definitely is right-wing spin to say Dodd and Frank are the "main culprits" of the 2008 economic collapse.

I don't think you can call them the culprits, but I don't want them anywhere near a position of financial authority. Like ever again.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by moviedoors

It may not have been singular, but come on Kelly:



Where you place the blame seems clear.

As far as the housing debacle, you're damn right....the legislation that they put through, and then the complete ignoring of the Administration's warnings about F & F as well as 3 pieces of legislation ignored and not allowed out of committee that could have stopped what happened. Damn right I blame them for that....the 2 wars, endless spending, all goes to Bush. I have never said anything different. Neither of them knew what the hell they were doing in those positions, and I don't want either near the Congress ever again. Clear enough...?

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, Dodd and Frank deserve the blame on the housing bubble. But there were a lot of other problems that go well beyond just the housing bubble.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

Yeah, Dodd and Frank deserve the blame on the housing bubble. But there were a lot of other problems that go well beyond just the housing bubble.

Oh tons of other problems, some that started in the Clinton administration, 2 wars, in my opinion, we didn't need to be in....9/11 which we could do nothing about, except that we should have had far more Arab interpreters at the time than we did...deregulation of Wall Street, which also started in the Clinton Administration, Enron wasn't because of Bush, Enron had been doing what they were doing for decades...they were just the guys that were found out first. But, MANY, MANY, MANY things were a part of what happened in Bush's administration, and just like that administration, this administration today is also deaf, dumb and blind.

[Marx]

The countdown to the inauguration is officially underway and the new thread is up! Please be sure to subscribe and participate!

The 2013 Presidential Inauguration
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=451723

[Marx]

Senator Harkin has announced that he will not run for re-election.

[Kelly]

I think we are seeing that the old guard in both parties, who for decades...DID actually talk with each other, DID actually get to debate legislation, DID actually get a phone call back from the President.....seeing that times have changed and it is time for them to move on.

[Marx]

I think you're right...and we're in trouble. The days of actual of debate and diplomacy have been replaced by schoolyard antics.

[Kelly]

These men and women of the 80's and 90's they have been best of friends off the floor, and debated the hell out of legislation in committee and on the floor for decades and remained good friends. Friends that in the end, after all of the hot debate, actually came up with legislation (some I agreed with some I didn't) but at least I knew that my representatives had been heard, it wasn't a backroom deal, or ONLY a signature of the President that made something law. I don't like the later, NO MATTER WHO DOES IT, OR WHETHER OR NOT I AGREE WITH IT OR NOT, it is NOT what our government is about, and I think the old guard has seen the light, and realized those days are long gone. Truly sad, IMO...

[dnno1]

Mass. governor names ex-aide William ‘Mo’ Cowan to fill US Sen. Kerry’s seat on interim basis
http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...35d_story.html

[Thundercrack85]

Who?

I can see why Barney Frank is so pissed off now.

[Marx]

I'm not overly familiar with Cowan either.

[Marx]

UPDATE: JACKSON JR SIGNS PLEA DEAL
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...eal/?hpt=hp_t2

[Kelly]

Jesse Jackson Jr. Charges: Federal Prosecutors Formally File Charges Against Ex-Congressman, His Wife

[Matt]

Meet the Gun Loving, Straight Talking, 2016 Democratic Presidential Dark Horse

Democrats would be fools to nominate Clinton over Schweitzer.

[hippie_hunter]

Schwietzer is probably too conservative to ever win a Democratic primary.

[Kelly]

If he is Fiscally Conservative, bring it on.....I'll vote for him.

[SV Fan]

Anytime I seen him talk before he seems reasonable. No chance he beats Hillary that being said if Hillary decides not to run I would put him #2 behind Biden.

He could get us those all important 3 electoral votes in Montana. I think he might also help win over a state like Arizona.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

Schwietzer is probably too conservative to ever win a Democratic primary.

Schweitzer is a sheep in wolf clothing. He may seem conservative because he supports gun rights and wears a bolo tie but he is a pretty liberal guy. He is a Republican's worst nightmare. He will take some conservative votes due to his image (especially if he is up against someone like Rubio....the irony....racist conservatives will vote for the liberal out of confusion), but sure as hell won't govern as a conservative.

Originally Posted by SV Fan

Anytime I seen him talk before he seems reasonable. No chance he beats Hillary that being said if Hillary decides not to run I would put him #2 behind Biden.

He could get us those all important 3 electoral votes in Montana. I think he might also help win over a state like Arizona.

Hillary doesn't play in Iowa. Schweitzer does. If Schweitzer wins the Iowa Caucus, he will probably win the South Carolina primary. At that point all bets are off.

[Pink Ranger]

I've long argued that racism is neither a left or right issue, especially if your last name is something like Chao, and here is more evidence.

Progress Kentucky Targets Mitch McConnell's Wife, Elaine Chao, For Chinese Roots
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2767404.html

Ashley Judd: Progress Kentucky Attacks On Mitch McConnell's Wife 'Wrong & Patently Unacceptable'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2768352.html