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I'm all for pretty much ALL THAT IS BEING PROPOSED....but in reality, until we get a solid check on our mental health in this country, we will continue to have things like Sandy Hook happen, that is just reality... But, again I'm all for universal registration and background checks, I'm all for no sell of arms or ammunition on the internet, I'm all for all of those things, but a ban on specific guns, I'm sorry but that will not make a difference, IMO. I really like Feinstein, I respect her a lot, but she is way out of her realm when making this kind of legislation.
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Worked there for nearly two years....rather....get shoulder tackled by Ray Lewis, just out of the damn blue, than go back there.
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You have to understand the minimum wage law makes the labor of unskilled workers illegal. If a person's labor is worth 7 dollars an hour, but the minimum wage is 9 dollars, they're not getting hired. |
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That's the logic you are using. Sorry, Boehner will do nothing because he's scared of the NRA and the nutjobs in his caucus he's lost control of. So, he can weep for those whose lives are needlessly ruined by gun violence but will not lift a finger to help.
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As far as the rest of what you wrote, I don't know....nothing has been put forward yet that isn't wholly to one side of the spectrum I just mentioned...
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Profits isn't something that should be regulated. What a private company does with their profits is their business. This isn't Russia. Either stop buying from that company or don't work for them. You can't be weekend warriors and go out and protest Walmart and then go get your groceries from them on Monday. You can't complain about your $7.25 an hour job and then just continue to work there. Right now with this tough economy that really isn't an option to quit (it's a foolish option nonetheless) because you hate your boss...you have to suck it up for a little bit. Again, I think a small increase is fine. It can't stay that low year after year. Maybe a 2-3% increase each year. If it is also on a set increase schedule then you have employers and businesses ready for the change. You can't just come out and say that you want minimum wage to increase by 25%. Jesus these people in Washington are idiots. I agree we need to cut programs...but we need to look at our debt first because it affects all of us.
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Also, the Dems increased it in 2009...how did that work out?
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Minimum wage increase? Sounds good. If these billion dollar corporations would pay their employees more than scraps then the government wouldnt need to step in and force them to do it. $7.25 an hour wont even support a single person living on their own let alone a person with kids. And telling the person to get a second job only deprives others of having a job.
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I agree, but I think this thing of increasing suddenly 25% is crazy....and will backfire tremendously....if they are going to do this to these businesses every 5 or so years, they need to go ahead and do it in stages over that 5 years. You can't hit them with Obamacare, higher taxes, and then 25% increase in minimum wage all in the same year. It will backfire, I guarantee it....
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There is so much wrong with this sentiment I can't even begin to break it all down. Suffice it to say the propagation of our species and the basic instinctual drives of our species should not be hindered and determined by a purely artificial probelm we have created. There is a reason why cases of depression and suicide continually increase in our population, and it isn't a far stretch to assume that a major part of it is our natural instincts clashing with our more modern lifestyle and the stress we pile on ourselves. The desire and ability to procreate and live a meaningful life should not be reserved for the rich and well skilled.
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The word is propagation but anyway, a person's life is their own responsibility, as well as the lives of any children they decided to have, not the government. And what is your definition of "rich" because anyone can live a meaningful life, regardless of income.
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Also, your original post completely missed the point of my original post which is that multi-billion dollar corporations should be paying their employees more than scraps. People can't live off scraps. In 700+ years we still have peasants working for fuedal lords. This day and age we just call them corporations. I see a slight problem with that.
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Anyone has a right to have children....but people do need to be much more responsible in the reproduction area that's for sure.
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I agree about the responsibilty part. If you do happen to find yourself in a low income scraps job (as many do nowadays) be careful. Don't sleep around, and don't assume a condom is a 100% fail-safe. But every person should be able to have at least 1 child if they choose before they are in their 40s. We should be working towards a more stable society that properly and adequately fosters this.
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Would it make sense to have a base minimum wage, but companies who earn over a certain amount a year would be held to a higher minimum wage standard? Because I understand how $9 an hour might be high for a small business, but not for multi-billion dollar businesses.
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And hell, I wish I was working for $7.25 an hour instead of the salary I get. Damn, I would be rollin in the money. LOL
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBhKpYcBCMQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUBK9_4OQIs We should be working to phase out the minimum wage. See Walter Williams explain in the above videos. It destroys opportunities for those on the bottom rung of the economic latter. |
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I don't think unions would go for it....you have members in the same area of work, but because one is working for a larger company making more profit they will make more in minimum wage. I just don't see them going for that....
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Obviously our current system is failing us. We have to try some new approaches to our problems. The Unions shouldn't be allowed to hold up progress for the whole country and our future economy, because something doesn't fit into their old ways.
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