It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's the Superman Costume Thread! - Part 2

[Super Kal]

Originally Posted by craigdbfan

The MoS suit is still leagues above the Nu52 design.

granted

TDK suit permeated itself into other Batman media, I'm sure MoS can do the same if it's received well.

Unless you have a recent comic book that shows the TDK suit for verbatim in the comics, I have to disagree with you on that

[Dark Sentinel]

Well since we're all exchanging ideas about the New 52 suit, I might as well throw my two cents in, as it were.

I posted this in the Fanart & Manips Thread, but I just wanted to gauge some responses regarding some...tinkering that I've done with the New 52 suit. I am fully prepared for flamings haha, so please, be honest.

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[Super Kal]

no thanks. too much yellow for my taste

[craigdbfan]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

granted


Unless you have a recent comic book that shows the TDK suit for verbatim in the comics, I have to disagree with you on that

I said Batman media not only comic books (but I can do that too). Look no further than his suit in Injustice: God Among Us.

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[Super Kal]

still not a verbatim suit- and it doesn't change how awful both superman suits look in design... again, just my opinion

[craigdbfan]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

still not a verbatim suit- and it doesn't change how awful both superman suits look in design... again, just my opinion

Clearly there's an influence from the Nolan Batman suit and that's what I was referring to the MoS suit permeating across Superman media.

I never said that the exact suit would be carbon copied entirely. Point is that if MoS is successful it will most likely influence how his suit will look like across the Superman franchise as a whole and that to me isn't a bad thing.

[Super Kal]

And why exactly is that not a bad thing?... Everything we've seen so far is almost a direct copy of an earlier script development... The suit, the neo-medieval krypton, nano-technology, etc... Fans alike already hated this crap back when MCG was directing it. I guess the general public has forgotten about the development hell of the 90's...

Poop is still poop no matter how much sugar you sprinkle on top, and a bad idea is still a bad idea no matter how many times one has to try it.

[Dr.]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

...Everything we've seen so far is almost a direct copy of an earlier script development... The suit, the neo-medieval krypton, nano-technology, etc... Fans alike already hated this crap back when MCG was directing it. I guess the general public has forgotten about the development hell of the 90's...

I wasn’t aware of any universal criticism of the “neo Medieval” approach. We’ve only seen a few costume samples and we don’t know how well the motif will be integrated with Kryptonian technology, architecture, etc. I think most of us are taking a wait-and-see attitude. Same with the “nano suit” (which at this point is still speculation, not confirmed). (Also: I think the general public was largely ignorant of any “development hell.”)

Poop is still poop no matter how much sugar you sprinkle on top, and a bad idea is still a bad idea no matter how many times one has to try it.

And the flip side: good designs and concepts that were part of cancelled projects remain good designs and concepts.

[BatZiLLa54]

So which color do you think we're going to get in the movie?

This


or

this

[The Watchman]

You would think the magazine colors, given they were likely corrected to match the movie corrections...but hard to tell.

[elgaz]

I'd say the darker ones. One's an official photo, the other is a set pic ........ I'd be inclined to trust the official photo.

[The Shield]

umm... why not the colors from the actual movie trailer??

Done.

[The Watchman]

Hold on...there's a trailer for this Muuuveeee?

[The Shield]

That's what I heard from a guy who knows a guy that saw a guy watch it.

[Super Kal]

Originally Posted by Dr.

I wasn’t aware of any universal criticism of the “neo Medieval” approach. We’ve only seen a few costume samples and we don’t know how well the motif will be integrated with Kryptonian technology, architecture, etc. I think most of us are taking a wait-and-see attitude. Same with the “nano suit” (which at this point is still speculation, not confirmed). (Also: I think the general public was largely ignorant of any “development hell.”)

back in the 90's, when the "neo-medieval" Krypton was being used int he Abrams script, not to mention Ty-Zor, and the crazy suit design... many posters here on SHH have already noticed many similar distinctions between the past productions and this production.
a lot of these concepts were leaked, and the fans hated them, and thats a big reason why it never got made. why do i bring this up? because those same fans who hated it so much in the 90's are now rejoicing over it today... personally, i see that as hypocrisy. people hated to see what Jon Peters did to the Superman movie franchise, and yet many of his designs are very obvious in this movie- i find it ridiculous to call this movie new.

And the flip side: good designs and concepts that were part of cancelled projects remain good designs and concepts.

true- but if this nano-tech crap is true, it shows that WB is still trying to make money off of old and deserted projects... somewhere right now, Jon Peters is laughing, saying to himself "Im still getting my Superman film. Maybe not exactly what I wanted, but in some form, I'm still getting it."

if they wanted a new and fresh idea, they should of made a Fleischer piece. That would of been new. That would of been unheard of. That would of been amazing. That is what needs to happen, IMO.

[dark_b]

close up for debate . i think they should used a different pattern for the boots and shield

Originally Posted by Nitrobot

Simply incredible details...

[Kirmit]

I feel the boots should have the same texture as the cape, the shield and belt should've been smooth like the blue piping.

[DKDetective]

Since Super Kal brought it up, I have to admit, I really hate the nano-suit idea. To me, the idea of Superman pressing a button or something and his suit spreading over his body just screams cheesy 80s or 90s cartoons and stuff like PowerRangers. Yes, I know the classic solution of Superman hiding his cape and boots under his clothes strains credibility but, to me, the nano-suit idea is more offensive because it undermines the understated, serious, realistic (for lack of a better word) approach the filmmakers seem to be taking with Man of Steel. General audience moviegoers will ignore the problem of the boots and cape, just like they ignore Batman's eye makeup and other such problem inherent in the genre provided they are caught up the story and what is going on onscreen. I think they will be more put off by the silliness of a Power Rangers style suit up. It would just be jarring.

[Mad Love]

It's all under armor so I think it's fine having the same texture.

[Mad Love]

Originally Posted by DKDetective

I have to admit, I really hate the nano-suit idea. To me, the idea of Superman pressing a button or something and his suit spreading over his body just screams cheesy 80s or 90s cartoons and stuff like PowerRangers. Yes, I know the classic solution of Superman hiding his cape and boots under his clothes strains credibility but, to me, the nano-suit idea is more offensive because it undermines the understated, serious, realistic (for lack of a better word) approach the filmmakers seem to be taking with Man of Steel.

Something about the nano suit idea turns me off too. It's too Iron Man. I don't mind him wearing the suit underneath his clothes because it looks really thin. He can detach the cape and stash it in his briefcase or whatever.

[Compi716]

Originally Posted by Kirmit

I feel the boots should have the same texture as the cape, the shield and belt should've been smooth like the blue piping.

Agreed. I find the pattern on the shield to be very distracting, taking away some of its ability to work as a "beacon."

[Binker]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

back in the 90's, when the "neo-medieval" Krypton was being used int he Abrams script, not to mention Ty-Zor, and the crazy suit design... many posters here on SHH have already noticed many similar distinctions between the past productions and this production.
a lot of these concepts were leaked, and the fans hated them, and thats a big reason why it never got made. why do i bring this up? because those same fans who hated it so much in the 90's are now rejoicing over it today... personally, i see that as hypocrisy. people hated to see what Jon Peters did to the Superman movie franchise, and yet many of his designs are very obvious in this movie- i find it ridiculous to call this movie new.

It was actually early 2000s, not '90s.

I myself have pointed out how similar the designs are from Flyby, but I wasn't negative about it. I don't know what was said, but for me, those designs were fine; actually, they're great. Now, I don't think they're using all of them, in fact, I think they're recreating them at best, but creating new ideas for Jor-El and Zod for example. Heck, even Superman's suit in MOS wasn't the suit in Flyby. So, if they're reusing or using the designs to create new ones, it's not a big deal (for me). Those were cool, and I was wishing they'd be seen on screen, but as what-if drawings.

Besides, two things: 1) the only problem I had with Flyby (which, btw, had two drafts and draft 2 was not only going to be the movie, but was better than draft 1) was Krypton existing in THAT movie. That should've been saved for the sequels. And 2) looking like them, influenced by them, etc: it's not been confirmed. Maybe the book will reveal that reason, or their thoughts that led to the (same) neo-medieval look. But regardless, this isn't something to cry about.

[Super Kal]

thank you for correcting me on the date... couldnt remember which one it was

it may not be a problem for you, binker, but it's a big problem for me. it shows me that they cant think of anything original

[Dr.]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

back in the 90's, when the "neo-medieval" Krypton was being used int he Abrams script, not to mention Ty-Zor, and the crazy suit design... many posters here on SHH have already noticed many similar distinctions between the past productions and this production.
a lot of these concepts were leaked, and the fans hated them, and thats a big reason why it never got made. why do i bring this up? because those same fans who hated it so much in the 90's are now rejoicing over it today... personally, i see that as hypocrisy. people hated to see what Jon Peters did to the Superman movie franchise, and yet many of his designs are very obvious in this movie- i find it ridiculous to call this movie new.

As the various screenplays for Lives and Flyby have surfaced (years after they were written), certainly many fans expressed criticisms about the stories and/or character interpretations. But I’m not sure there was all that much hue-and-cry about their respective design approaches. Since the films were never made, all we have are some vague descriptions and a few concept drawings. So to the extent that fans are liking MOS’s “neo Medieval” motifs (the little that we’ve seen), I think it’s a stretch to charge hypocrisy.

[Krumm]

Originally Posted by Dr.

As the various screenplays for Lives and Flyby have surfaced (years after they were written), certainly many fans expressed criticisms about the stories and/or character interpretations. But I’m not sure there was all that much hue-and-cry about their respective design approaches. Since the films were never made, all we have are some vague descriptions and a few concept drawings. So to the extent that fans are liking MOS’s “neo Medieval” motifs (the little that we’ve seen), I think it’s a stretch to charge hypocrisy.

Agreed and considering the amount of time that has passed between the reveal of defunct designs and MOS, people are completely in their right to change their minds and tastes.