Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 10 - Page 12

ThePhantasm · 02-13-2013, 02:01 PM

Marvolo · 02-14-2013, 08:22 AM

People just did not connect as well to this one as they did to Fellowship. The book is a simple adventure quest whereas FOTR is the staging of an epic good vs evil showdown for the fate of a world. That makes for a very different film. In places the Hobbit was overly indulgent, and takes much too long to get going. Jackson took what should have been a fast 2 part adventure and turned it into a drawn thin prequel/bridge/hybrid trilogy. The film does many things good, but nothing great, and settles somewhere above decent.

Marvolo · 02-14-2013, 08:28 AM

By great I mean something that changes the industry or shakes conventions. LOTR did this in many areas. The Hobbit by comparison feels very been there done that and doesn't offer much in the way of game changing.

And, yes, the LOTR was indulgent, but like I said people connected to that better, and forgave it its indulgences. What makes it worse too is that everyone knows the Hobbit is a 250 page book stretched to three nearly 3 hour films. It makes the Hobbit's indulgences look even worse, because they were unneccesary whereas LOTR was 1200 page story and indulgences were expected.

redhawk23 · 02-14-2013, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Marvolo

People just did not connect as well to this one as they did to Fellowship. The book is a simple adventure quest whereas FOTR is the staging of an epic good vs evil showdown for the fate of a world. That makes for a very different film. In places the Hobbit was overly indulgent, and takes much too long to get going. Jackson took what should have been a fast 2 part adventure and turned it into a drawn thin prequel/bridge/hybrid trilogy. The film does many things good, but nothing great, and settles somewhere above decent.

See the deal is the simple story shouldn't have been a problem. In fact it should have made it even easier to connect to. The problem that I had is that they kept trying to scale it up to something LotR like. That problem will only worsen as the other films add in more conflicts with Necromancer and Legolas shows up. Its a lack of focus.

dark_b · 02-14-2013, 12:02 PM

Jackson gets 3 paychecks instead of 2. and the same for WETA. they work on 3 movies and not on 2. everyone gets more work.

ThePhantasm · 02-14-2013, 12:11 PM

I think the two weakest sections of the film were the White Council and the end climax. The rest of the film was superb, however, in my opinion. I think we won't really be sure if splitting it all into 3 films was a good idea or not until we see the next two.

regwec · 02-14-2013, 12:47 PM

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Jackson gets 2 paychecks instead of 2.

dark_b · 02-14-2013, 12:49 PM

i made a mistake

regwec · 02-14-2013, 12:51 PM

A glittering career at Goldman Sachs awaits you.

Pink Ranger · 02-14-2013, 01:25 PM

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Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

Again, I must insist upon asking, why did they feel the need to make the Great Goblin's breasts so true to life? Who the hell would want to buy that toy?

DarkSovereignty · 02-14-2013, 01:30 PM

::raises hand slowly and cries::

redhawk23 · 02-14-2013, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePhantasm

I think the two weakest sections of the film were the White Council and the end climax. The rest of the film was superb, however, in my opinion. I think we won't really be sure if splitting it all into 3 films was a good idea or not until we see the next two.

If the goal is to include everything from the book the divide was likely necessary.

Being captured and escaping from the Goblin City would probably be too similar to being captured and Escaping from the Elves to really be in one film. The original split was at the barrels right?

Marvolo · 02-15-2013, 01:06 PM

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If the goal is to include everything from the book the divide was likely necessary.

Being captured and escaping from the Goblin City would probably be too similar to being captured and Escaping from the Elves to really be in one film. The original split was at the barrels right?

Yep. They are in the barrels, and they round a bend and see the Lonely Mountain for the first time then it fades to black. I would have preferred that reveal of the Lonely Mountain to be the first one like in the book. The one in the film is just awkward. Raising the question for all the non-book readers why the Eagles couldn't just take them a few more leagues to the mountain.

ThePhantasm · 02-15-2013, 01:08 PM

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Again, I must insist upon asking, why did they feel the need to make the Great Goblin's breasts so true to life? Who the hell would want to buy that toy?

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Originally Posted by DarkSovereignty

::raises hand slowly and cries::

Victarion · 02-15-2013, 02:41 PM

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Again, I must insist upon asking, why did they feel the need to make the Great Goblin's breasts so true to life? Who the hell would want to buy that toy?

Don't badmouth my waifu.

ThePhantasm · 02-15-2013, 04:05 PM

There are... worse aspects of the Great Goblin toy than the breasts.

kedrell · 02-19-2013, 02:35 PM

Well, $300M is done. 5th film of 2012 to cross that line.

Pink Ranger · 02-19-2013, 03:32 PM

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There are... worse aspects of the Great Goblin toy than the breasts.

Well, since I am not making that specific purchase, I will never experience the thrill of discovery at viewing what is under that loincloth.

ThePhantasm · 02-19-2013, 03:36 PM

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Well, since I am not making that specific purchase, I will never experience the thrill of discovery at viewing what is under that loincloth.

I actually was referring to the chin.

AVEITWITHJAMON · 02-19-2013, 06:04 PM

I personally dont get why people didnt connect with The Hobbit as much as LOTR, while it wasnt as good as any of the LOTR movies, I still LOVED The Hobbit and personally cannot wait until the sequels. The next 2 cant come soon enough for me.

Now, the movie was a bit over-long, mostly at the start for me, but once they got out of The Shire the movie kicked into gear and I couldnt tear my eyes away, I will happily go and see 2 more.

Pink Ranger · 02-19-2013, 07:14 PM

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I actually was referring to the chin.

I imagine they are not without similarities.

ThePhantasm · 02-19-2013, 07:25 PM

Maybe he should have a chin cloth.

redhawk23 · 02-19-2013, 07:29 PM

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I personally dont get why people didnt connect with The Hobbit as much as LOTR, while it wasnt as good as any of the LOTR movies, I still LOVED The Hobbit and personally cannot wait until the sequels. The next 2 cant come soon enough for me.

Now, the movie was a bit over-long, mostly at the start for me, but once they got out of The Shire the movie kicked into gear and I couldnt tear my eyes away, I will happily go and see 2 more.

I certainly didn't walk out of the theaters thinking "F### YEAH! 6 MORE HOURS!"

It felt like we were presented with the extended edition of the film, with all the pacing and focus issues that implies.

ThePhantasm · 02-19-2013, 07:33 PM

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It felt like we were presented with the extended edition of the film, with all the pacing and focus issues that implies.

No, man, that's still to come... and I'm super excited about it!

AVEITWITHJAMON · 02-20-2013, 05:12 PM

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I certainly didn't walk out of the theaters thinking "F### YEAH! 6 MORE HOURS!"

It felt like we were presented with the extended edition of the film, with all the pacing and focus issues that implies.

Well, I walked out of the cinema saying and thinking "That was amazing, I cant wait to see more, so happy there are 2 more films to come." And I still think that now. Bring on the EE as well.

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No, man, that's still to come... and I'm super excited about it!

Same here, in fact I cant wait to have all 6 movies in EE and be able to watch them one after the other.

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02-14-2013, 08:22 AM	#277
Marvolo Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 33,877	Re: Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 10 People just did not connect as well to this one as they did to Fellowship. The book is a simple adventure quest whereas FOTR is the staging of an epic good vs evil showdown for the fate of a world. That makes for a very different film. In places the Hobbit was overly indulgent, and takes much too long to get going. Jackson took what should have been a fast 2 part adventure and turned it into a drawn thin prequel/bridge/hybrid trilogy. The film does many things good, but nothing great, and settles somewhere above decent. __________________ *"When the snows fall, when the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives."* The Most Astounding Fact (Neil deGrasse Tyson, HD): Spoiler!!! Click to Read!: Last edited by C. Lee; 02-14-2013 at 08:36 AM.

02-14-2013, 08:28 AM	#278
Marvolo Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 33,877	Re: Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 10 By great I mean something that changes the industry or shakes conventions. LOTR did this in many areas. The Hobbit by comparison feels very been there done that and doesn't offer much in the way of game changing. And, yes, the LOTR was indulgent, but like I said people connected to that better, and forgave it its indulgences. What makes it worse too is that everyone knows the Hobbit is a 250 page book stretched to three nearly 3 hour films. It makes the Hobbit's indulgences look even worse, because they were unneccesary whereas LOTR was 1200 page story and indulgences were expected. __________________ *"When the snows fall, when the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives."* The Most Astounding Fact (Neil deGrasse Tyson, HD): Spoiler!!! Click to Read!: Last edited by C. Lee; 02-14-2013 at 08:35 AM.

02-14-2013, 12:02 PM	#280
dark_b Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 46,349	Re: Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 10 Jackson gets 3 paychecks instead of 2. and the same for WETA. they work on 3 movies and not on 2. everyone gets more work. Last edited by dark_b; 02-14-2013 at 12:49 PM.

02-14-2013, 12:49 PM	#283
dark_b Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 46,349	Re: Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 10 i made a mistake

02-19-2013, 02:35 PM	#292
kedrell Fork&SpoonOperator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Over Macho Grande Posts: 21,074	Re: Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 10 Well, $300M is done. 5th film of 2012 to cross that line. __________________ "Spider-man is the Charlie Brown of the Marvel Universe." ~ Kevin Smith

02-19-2013, 06:04 PM	#295
AVEITWITHJAMON We are Legion Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Liverpool, UK. Posts: 32,981	Re: Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 10 I personally dont get why people didnt connect with The Hobbit as much as LOTR, while it wasnt as good as any of the LOTR movies, I still LOVED The Hobbit and personally cannot wait until the sequels. The next 2 cant come soon enough for me. Now, the movie was a bit over-long, mostly at the start for me, but once they got out of The Shire the movie kicked into gear and I couldnt tear my eyes away, I will happily go and see 2 more. __________________ 2017 movie ratings out of 10: 1)War For The Planet Of The Apes-9.5(2)Logan-9.5(3)Baby Driver-9.5(4)Wonder Woman-9(5)Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol.2-9(6)Spider-Man: Homecoming-8(7)John Wick 2-8(8)Split-8(9)Kong: Skull Island-7.5(10)Alien Covenant-7(11)Ghost In The Shell-7(12)POTC: Salazar's Revenge-7(13)Transformers: The Last Knight-4

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