Thor 2 Dark World news, speculation and pictures possible Spoilers - Part 8

[Whiskey Tango]

Am I the only one who isn't particularly interested in seeing Thor as king? There's tons of stuff they can explore before they go down that route and frankly I haven't had my fill of Odin yet. I guess if you're worried about Anthony Hopkins age but still. Seems like everybody's in a rush.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango

Am I the only one who isn't particularly interested in seeing Thor as king? There's tons of stuff they can explore before they go down that route and frankly I haven't had my fill of Odin yet. I guess if you're worried about Anthony Hopkins age but still. Seems like everybody's in a rush.

I think a lot of us are just going by what seems to be the apparent route. Personally, while it would be cool to see thor as king, I feel like it shouldn't happen yet. How many times has thor been king of asgard in the comics over the last..60 years? Once, correct? for one span of time?

for me, ideally, I would like to see Odin as king in thor 2. thor 3 roles around for ragnarok/surtur, odin is killed in battle, and thor finally becomes king

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

But if he wore his helmet, we wouldn't get to see the pretty braid in his hair now.

pshhhh

[TheCorpulent1]

They don't really need to tackle Thor as king in the movies at all, to be honest. It worked well in the comics, but that was because we had 40 years of Odin as king before that. Personally, I'd really love to see at least one of the many, many stories where Odin manipulates Thor for what he believes is Thor's own good adapted to the movies first. Maybe the one where Odin disowns Thor and recruits a mortal to take his place, knowing that Ragnarok was coming and "Thor" was destined to die in it.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Personally, I think Thor will become King in TDW.

[Idun]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

I mean, Odin is a King, Loki WAS a king, and still thought he deserves to be king. Maybe the helmets are most definitally more so of a crown. Odin is king, he wears his. Loki maybe only continued to wear his "crown" through out the avengers, cause he felt that he is ruler of midgard, thus having to display his symbol of authority.

After thor becomes king, hopefully he'll start wearing his helmet more often. I think it would be cool to intergrate as part of his armor. Like when he summons a storm that helps him armor up, his helmet materializes too

I think Thor will wear it more when formality demands it, as if he becomes king. In Loki's case it's his ambition talking when he morphs in to that helmet. He has fallen from grace, but he thinks he has the right to kingship and he projects this by donning that thing, both to himself and the people around him.

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

But if he wore his helmet, we wouldn't get to see the pretty braid in his hair now.

To quote Michael Fassbender: pre-cisely.

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango

Am I the only one who isn't particularly interested in seeing Thor as king? There's tons of stuff they can explore before they go down that route and frankly I haven't had my fill of Odin yet. I guess if you're worried about Anthony Hopkins age but still. Seems like everybody's in a rush.

No, you're not the only one. I'm fine with Thor being just Thor.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

They don't really need to tackle Thor as king in the movies at all, to be honest. It worked well in the comics, but that was because we had 40 years of Odin as king before that. Personally, I'd really love to see at least one of the many, many stories where Odin manipulates Thor for what he believes is Thor's own good adapted to the movies first. Maybe the one where Odin disowns Thor and recruits a mortal to take his place, knowing that Ragnarok was coming and "Thor" was destined to die in it.

agreed

[Guerrilla]

In the commentary for Thor, Kenneth Branagh talked about how Asgard is able to float like they show it doing in the opening sequence and how its some kind of nuclear-ish type of power that keeps it where it is and that that will be explored in the future. I wonder if this will be touched on in TDW. Also, I wonder if the Casket will reappear and who will have found it. Thoughts?

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by Guerrilla

In the commentary for Thor, Kenneth Branagh talked about how Asgard is able to float like they show it doing in the opening sequence and how its some kind of nuclear-ish type of power that keeps it where it is and that that will be explored in the future. I wonder if this will be touched on in TDW. Also, I wonder if the Casket will reappear and who will have found it. Thoughts?

that kinda sucks. they dont need a reason why it floats. Just magic. thats it. it's ****ing asgard lol

[Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

that kinda sucks. they dont need a reason why it floats. Just magic. thats it. it's ****ing asgard lol

Yeah, I hear ya. It seems like kind of needless explanation. I'd much rather think of Asgard as magical, not scientifically explainable. Its not like we will see this explaination and be like...

[Vartha]

Tho there are those few who want it to be. lol

Originally Posted by Guerrilla

Yeah, I hear ya. It seems like kind of needless explanation. I'd much rather think of Asgard as magical, not scientifically explainable. Its not like we will see this explaination and be like...

[metaphysician]

*begins to flash back to dumb "magic is only magic if its somehow not subject to reason" arguments, sighs*

[Doc Ock]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

that kinda sucks. they dont need a reason why it floats. Just magic. thats it. it's ****ing asgard lol

Yes i agree, magic rules. Science sucks.

[steintym]

Explaining why Asgard "floats"? Seems dumb to me and doesn't need an explanation.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by steintym

Explaining why Asgard "floats"? Seems dumb to me and doesn't need an explanation.

I dunno, but its appearance in Thor 1 was very bizarre. Some people say that it's shown to be on a planet, but it's not: it's the center of a freaking galaxy/star cluster. It defies all (known) laws of astrophysics.

[steintym]

It doesn't really make sense, but that's part of what's cool. It's unexplainable, mysterious.

[Doc Ock]

Originally Posted by steintym

It doesn't really make sense, but that's part of what's cool. It's unexplainable, mysterious.

Its a Journey into Mystery.

[Whiskey Tango]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

I dunno, but its appearance in Thor 1 was very bizarre. Some people say that it's shown to be on a planet, but it's not: it's the center of a freaking galaxy/star cluster. It defies all (known) laws of astrophysics.

It's a big magic rock floating in space/another dimension. Just like the comics. They don't need to explain everything, especially if they're going to try and retain the vagueness of the "Magic or super science?" theme.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango

It's a big magic rock floating in space/another dimension. Just like the comics. They don't need to explain everything, especially if they're going to try and retain the vagueness of the "Magic or super science?" theme.

exactly. But that interview, or whatever was posted, made it sound like they will try to create some scientific explanation for it

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango

It's a big magic rock floating in space/another dimension. Just like the comics. They don't need to explain everything, especially if they're going to try and retain the vagueness of the "Magic or super science?" theme.

I'm perfectly happy with "it's magic" being an excuse; always worked for Thor before in the comics. Despite some people wanting to turn Thor more towards sci-fi than fantasy, the fact remains that the Asgardian milieu is straight-up Dungeons & Dragons/World of Warcraft, and always will be.

The only thing I'd really want explained (and not in technical detail, mind you --- just story logic) is how they travel between worlds. Or planes. Or planetoids, or dimensions, or what the **** ever. Just set some basic guidelines for that, and stay consistent with it from movie to movie.

[Whiskey Tango]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

exactly. But that interview, or whatever was posted, made it sound like they will try to create some scientific explanation for it

I'm aware. I read it. But I hope they don't. Some things are better left unexplained.

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

I'm perfectly happy with "it's magic" being an excuse; always worked for Thor before in the comics. Despite some people wanting to turn Thor more towards sci-fi than fantasy, the fact remains that the Asgardian milieu is straight-up Dungeons & Dragons/World of Warcraft, and always will be.

The only thing I'd really want explained (and not in technical detail, mind you --- just story logic) is how they travel between worlds. Or planes. Or planetoids, or dimensions, or what the **** ever. Just set some basic guidelines for that, and stay consistent with it from movie to movie.

The Bifrost Cannon came really close to stepping over the line for me personally. That edged juuuuust a little too far into sci-fi territory for me. I don't know how I'd have done it differently though so I don't mention it much. Thor opening a portal with his hammer would be a pretty nice thing to see though.

Also early D&D had lots of sci-fi elements mixed in with the fantasy. Expedition to the Barrier Peaks featured a crashed alien starship as the dungeon, complete with robots and ray guns.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Originally Posted by Doc Ock

Yes i agree, magic rules. Science sucks.

Exactly. What has science ever done for us?

[Wolvieboy17]

The aquaducts?

[jaqua99]

lol. I remember casting my first enchantment...

[Whiskey Tango]

Originally Posted by R_Hythlodeus

Exactly. What has science ever done for us?

Very little when it comes to comic book physics.