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Old 02-20-2013, 07:50 AM   #851
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I will say that this is some of the most out of left field casting I have ever heard of. Up there with Topher Grace as Venom.
And I liked Topher Grace as Eddie Brock/Venom. In fact, he was probably one of the most enjoyable parts of Spider-Man 3... wish there was more of him.

Only here, Giamatti is a much better actor who will probably tackle the role of RHINO if he gets it.

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Eh,feelings are mixed on this.It could look cool,but I always thought Rhino made for a better Hulk villain than Spidey villain.
Why though? The Hulk would just punch him into space and it would be over. The point is that he is very challenging for Spider-Man to fight.

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Never said, he said, he partner with another villain.
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More likely at the end....think about it.....remember Foxx said he partner up.
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i think foxx implied he and spider-man formed a partnership in some way, not that he partnered up with another villain.

wasn't it implied by Foxx that he helps spider-man before he become the villain?

and some have speculated maybe this means he helps spider-man take down the rhino then later in the film he becomes electro

any information like this this can be taken as a grain of salt right now though

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wasn't it implied by Foxx that he helps spider-man before he become the villain?

and some have speculated maybe this means he helps spider-man take down the rhino then later in the film he becomes electro

any information like this this can be taken as a grain of salt right now though
Not really.

Here is what he says exactly, as well as a link to the interview.


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"He sort of starts thinking that somehow, he's Spider-Man's partner." Fox went on to say. The Academy Award winning actor would also add however, that from there, Dillon undergoes a series on unfortunate events that lead to him becoming the ne'er-do-well comic book fans are familiar with.
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Spider-Man views him as an informant basically, not a partner. That's just Dillon being delusional and starting to get stalker-ish.

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Not really.

Here is what he says exactly, as well as a link to the interview.




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could still be taken as he helps spiderman early on in film before

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His "eyes and ears on the street." I guess that is Foxx's way of saying Electro helps Spider-Man.

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And I liked Topher Grace as Eddie Brock/Venom. In fact, he was probably one of the most enjoyable parts of Spider-Man 3... wish there was more of him.
I got that Grace was trying to pull a smarmy version of Eddie Brock, Jr., but I didn't find it clicking all too well. If given more time, I could see it working, though.

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Only here, Giamatti is a much better actor who will probably tackle the role of RHINO if he gets it.
Still debatable right now. You said on an earlier thread we don't know that much to judge the film yet and we don't know much to predict how well someone can be in a role either. If given enough time, Giamatti may pull a Molina and be outstanding as Rhino. If not given enough time, he may pull a Mickey Rourke and give his all as Rourke did as Ivan Vanko, but the script just didn't give him enough to do.

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Why though? The Hulk would just punch him into space and it would be over. The point is that he is very challenging for Spider-Man to fight.
Isn't Rhino a villain to Hulk at times in the comics? Did Hulk just punch Rhino into space any of those times?

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His "eyes and ears on the street." I guess that is Foxx's way of saying Electro helps Spider-Man.
Maxwell Dillon will help out Spider-Man. Once he becomes Electro, it'll be a whole new ballgame.

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Why though? The Hulk would just punch him into space and it would be over. The point is that he is very challenging for Spider-Man to fight.
The Hulk doesn't really have a ton of "old school" villains that can challenge him.I always wanted to see the Hulk face an Abomination/Rhino team-up.

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I got that Grace was trying to pull a smarmy version of Eddie Brock, Jr., but I didn't find it clicking all too well. If given more time, I could see it working, though.
I don't know, I liked it. Having a small amount of screen time definitely didn't help though.

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Still debatable right now. You said on an earlier thread we don't know that much to judge the film yet and we don't know much to predict how well someone can be in a role either. If given enough time, Giamatti may pull a Molina and be outstanding as Rhino. If not given enough time, he may pull a Mickey Rourke and give his all as Rourke did as Ivan Vanko, but the script just didn't give him enough to do.
I'm not judging the film as a whole, just Paul Giamatti based on his previous work.


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I suppose, but couldn't Hulk easily do that to Rhino?


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I got that Grace was trying to pull a smarmy version of Eddie Brock, Jr., but I didn't find it clicking all too well. If given more time, I could see it working, though.



Still debatable right now. You said on an earlier thread we don't know that much to judge the film yet and we don't know much to predict how well someone can be in a role either. If given enough time, Giamatti may pull a Molina and be outstanding as Rhino. If not given enough time, he may pull a Mickey Rourke and give his all as Rourke did as Ivan Vanko, but the script just didn't give him enough to do.



Isn't Rhino a villain to Hulk at times in the comics? Did Hulk just punch Rhino into space any of those times?



Maxwell Dillon will help out Spider-Man. Once he becomes Electro, it'll be a whole new ballgame.
Max Dillion was always made out to be a pathetic sort of guy, it would definitley be a different kind of villian, one we haven't really seen in a CBM. The only sort of "false partnership" I've seen in a superhero movie is in The Incredibles, at the beginning when Syndrome thought he was partners with Mr. Incredible, and once he found out he wasn't he grew to hate him. Although I think there'll be more to Max Dillion than that. This is how I imagine him.

He's a guy who wants to do the right thing, but either constantly screws up and gets the chance waved under his nose just for it to be ripped out of sight. Getting fired, overlooked by his own parents etc. He becomes Spidey's informant and begins to believe he's really making a difference, so he tries to help Spidey take down a villian because he believes he's Spidey's partner, and he almost gets killed. Afterwards Spider-Man tells him "Look, I can't do this anymore, I can't deal with getting you into life threatning situations, so Spidey breaks off from him, and that's the final straw for Dillion, who only wanted to make a difference but realizes he can't do it in a positive way.

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"You're my guy Max. You're my eyes and ears in Oscorp." (not an actual quote, just adding things to what Foxx said Spidey says)

Betcha Pete doesn't want to risk getting caught sneaking in by Oscorp. I wonder if they'll confront Peter at the beginning of TASM2 for sneaking into the Spider room.

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Grace as Eddie in particular seemed to whiny to me. Like cry babyish wahhh Peter took my job at the bugle, wahhhh he took my gf. I want him dead. I didn't feel like there was an actual hatred for Peter. More so like a little kid being mad at another for stealing his toy.

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I don't know, I liked it. Having a small amount of screen time definitely didn't help though.
He could have been really great, that's for sure, imo. And his size as Eddie never bothered me as much as his size when he became Venom. I felt the symbiote should've made him look bigger, not just because of Eddie's own physique. It would add so much to the anger that the symbiote now possesses.

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Many could have done the same with Thomas Haden Church...and look what kind of Flint Marko we got, lol.

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We haven't seen him do this as of yet with anyone, so it's really only speculating.

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Did not. It sounded like you believed Electro, powers and all, would still help Spidey and only slowly turn his back on him. I wouldn't mind that myself, though, but it won't be the way in TAS-M 2.

****, I REALLY like that idea, lol.

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Max Dillion was always made out to be a pathetic sort of guy, it would definitley be a different kind of villian, one we haven't really seen in a CBM. The only sort of "false partnership" I've seen in a superhero movie is in The Incredibles, at the beginning when Syndrome thought he was partners with Mr. Incredible, and once he found out he wasn't he grew to hate him. Although I think there'll be more to Max Dillion than that. This is how I imagine him.

He's a guy who wants to do the right thing, but either constantly screws up and gets the chance waved under his nose just for it to be ripped out of sight. Getting fired, overlooked by his own parents etc. He becomes Spidey's informant and begins to believe he's really making a difference, so he tries to help Spidey take down a villian because he believes he's Spidey's partner, and he almost gets killed. Afterwards Spider-Man tells him "Look, I can't do this anymore, I can't deal with getting you into life threatning situations, so Spidey breaks off from him, and that's the final straw for Dillion, who only wanted to make a difference but realizes he can't do it in a positive way.
I'll be honest, it is something very new and we'll just see how it is when the film is released. It might be something refreshing, but it also may raise questions as to why Webb's Spidey is wanting people on the streets to help him out. He saw what happens when he had the help of a police captain, so why risk the lives of more people?

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Many could have done the same with Thomas Haden Church...and look what kind of Flint Marko we got, lol.
Yeah, but you're missing my point. With Thomas Hayden Church, I thought he was near perfect for Flint Marko/Sandman, and gave a great performance in Spider-Man 3. He did his best with what he was given. That is solely what I am basing Paul Giamatti as Rhino on... I think for whatever script he is given, he'll do a great job.

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If you think THC was great in S-M 3, then I do get your point of assuming Giamatti will be great for whatever he is given. I certainly didn't find the "I'm just a bad person" shtick so hot.

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If you think THC was great in S-M 3, then I do get your point of assuming Giamatti will be great for whatever he is given. I certainly didn't find the "I'm just a bad person" shtick so hot.
That was a fault of the writing though, not his acting. So much wasted potential.

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He could have been really great, that's for sure, imo. And his size as Eddie never bothered me as much as his size when he became Venom. I felt the symbiote should've made him look bigger, not just because of Eddie's own physique. It would add so much to the anger that the symbiote now possesses.



Many could have done the same with Thomas Haden Church...and look what kind of Flint Marko we got, lol.



We haven't seen him do this as of yet with anyone, so it's really only speculating.



Did not. It sounded like you believed Electro, powers and all, would still help Spidey and only slowly turn his back on him. I wouldn't mind that myself, though, but it won't be the way in TAS-M 2.

****, I REALLY like that idea, lol.



I'll be honest, it is something very new and we'll just see how it is when the film is released. It might be something refreshing, but it also may raise questions as to why Webb's Spidey is wanting people on the streets to help him out. He saw what happens when he had the help of a police captain, so why risk the lives of more people?
Maybe it could be Oscorp and not the streets, or maybe Max already lives in that dangerous sort of lifestyle.

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That was a fault of the writing though, not his acting. So much wasted potential.
The acting wasn't great either. He gave his lines in such a dull way that it was dreadful when Flint wasn't using his powers, because at least the CGI looked wonderful.

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Maybe it could be Oscorp and not the streets, or maybe Max already lives in that dangerous sort of lifestyle.
That still raises questions, and I hope there's a bigger enough reason for why Spider-Man would want "eyes and ears" on the streets/OsCorp/wherever. And I won't be okay with just the idea of this Spidey still maturing so he's still careless.

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That still raises questions, and I hope there's a bigger enough reason for why Spider-Man would want "eyes and ears" on the streets/OsCorp/wherever. And I won't be okay with just the idea of this Spidey still maturing so he's still careless.
Peter's already suspcious of Oscorp and probably needs Max to be his inside man.

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I have a feeling (not sure if this has been speculated) that they'll explain the rhino motif of Giamatti's suit through an acronym. So R.H.I.N.O will probably stand for something that I'm not intelligent enough to think of right now, and that's why the suit is rhino-themed.

At least....I think that's the most logical route.

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I think Lou Ferrigno would've been perfect for Rhino

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I have a feeling (not sure if this has been speculated) that they'll explain the rhino motif of Giamatti's suit through an acronym. So R.H.I.N.O will probably stand for something that I'm not intelligent enough to think of right now, and that's why the suit is rhino-themed.

At least....I think that's the most logical route.
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