The Klingon Thread

redhawk23 · 01-21-2013, 02:07 PM

This film features scenes set on the Klingon homeworld. We'll finally get to see the Klingon designs cut out of the first film.

Furthermore, the question of whether or not Klingons have ridges in this era is finally settled. According to set reports and advanced screenings they do. Two Klingons are seen without helmets and are reported to have ornamental ridge piercings.

There are a few images of the klingon costumes out. Most are stills and clips from the deleted scense from ST09 but the cover of IDW's Into Darkness countdown comic also features a nuKlingon.

http://moviepilot.com/stories/781553...-into-darkness

Klingon presented on the cover of the last issue of the preview comic, due out a few weeks before the films release.

Personally I think that costume is an improvement over the grey trenchcoats they were going to be wearing in Star Trek 09.

Pink Ranger · 01-21-2013, 03:41 PM

My vote is for mainly ridged Klingons, with some augment-virus Klingons around in the background just as Easter eggs for the hardcore Trekkies.

Although it would be interesting if they ever explored the racial differences between "real" Klingons and those descended from the augment-virus infected Klingons. Like maybe the latter are considered "mutants," or maybe (as TOS might indicate) the augment Klingons are a minority that temporarily seizes power through a variety of means. Plenty of examples in human history of that.

Great Mind(s) · 01-21-2013, 04:06 PM

What is that picture from!?

The Squirrel · 01-21-2013, 05:46 PM

Seeing the Klingons again is probably one my top reasons for being excited about the new film.

redhawk23 · 01-22-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Great Mind(s)

What is that picture from!?

There's a whole sequence in the deleted Scenes of Star Trek 09 of Nero on the Klingon prison planet Rura Penth

Here you go.

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This scene was going to be right in the middle of the film right after the "3 years later" title card.

Doc Ock · 01-22-2013, 01:35 PM

I really dig their helmets.

Destructus86 · 01-22-2013, 02:20 PM

I really dig the re-done Klingon outfits!!

SuBe · 01-22-2013, 02:32 PM

Did anyone else notice that Nero and the Romulans were using Klingon disruptors in ST 2009? It bugged me that they got the design wrong until I found out about the deleted sequence in the film.

Silvermoth · 01-25-2013, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Destructus86

I really dig the re-done Klingon outfits!!

Yeah me too! They look great!

Destructus86 · 01-25-2013, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SuBe

Did anyone else notice that Nero and the Romulans were using Klingon disruptors in ST 2009? It bugged me that they got the design wrong until I found out about the deleted sequence in the film.

didn't watch the deleted scenes...but I take it they were using stolen weapons? Which would make sense since they were a mining ship and not geared for war.

Pink Ranger · 01-25-2013, 09:43 AM

Or they could have just bought Klingon weapons, the same way Americans can buy Russian-made assault rifles.

redhawk23 · 01-25-2013, 11:15 AM

They broke out of a Klingon prison where they were held for 25 years. I think it's pretty safe to say where they got the Klingon weapons.

Also, weird note, originally, when Nero had more scenes throughout the movie he originally did not until after stranding Spock Prime on Trek-Hoth. A 25 year vow of silence. Odd.

Pink Ranger · 01-25-2013, 12:40 PM

I'm assuming that the deleted scenes never actually "happened" though, unless something in the movie alludes to the opposite.

SuBe · 01-25-2013, 03:25 PM

This is why we need a Director's Extended Super Cut of the 2009 film.

Pink Ranger · 01-25-2013, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SuBe

This is why we need a Director's Extended Super Cut of the 2009 film.

Ha ha, no way, I have a hard enough time defending all the plot holes in the theatrical version. The Klingon scenes stay cut for a reason!

D.J. Blackmar · 02-03-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pink Ranger

Ha ha, no way, I have a hard enough time defending all the plot holes in the theatrical version. The Klingon scenes stay cut for a reason!

Plot holes? In Star Trek?! NEVER!

redhawk23 · 02-03-2013, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pink Ranger

Ha ha, no way, I have a hard enough time defending all the plot holes in the theatrical version. The Klingon scenes stay cut for a reason!

The scenes were more or less cut for pacing and focus reasons, they actually help explain what the hell Nero and co were doing for 30 years.

Pink Ranger · 02-04-2013, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by redhawk23

The scenes were more or less cut for pacing and focus reasons, they actually help explain what the hell Nero and co were doing for 30 years.

But they also create more things that need explaining; how the Romulans got their ship back after being on a Klingon prison planet for years, as if it was left parked next to Rura Penthe for fun.

I'd find it easier to believe their FTL capability was damaged and it took them a long time to repair it, and that Nero was obsessively waiting for Spock in any event.

Manic · 02-12-2013, 05:50 PM

Well, it's about time we got the Klingons back. Though I will laugh if they take off their forehead-ridged helmets to reveal the "Yellow Peril" Klingons.

Octoberist · 02-20-2013, 02:26 AM

Is there a reason why they're wearing helmets? Is related to their 'ridges disorder'?

Picard Sisko · 02-20-2013, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Octoberist

Is there a reason why they're wearing helmets? Is related to their 'ridges disorder'?

These movies take place relatively close to TOS, where the Klingons did not have ridges. I think Abrams wants to make their design a mystery, but still acknowledging the fact that the Klingons will get ridges at some point (since the helmets have them).

Hypestyle · 03-10-2013, 10:38 AM

... so what do the Klingons represent this time around? in TOS, it was more or less the Soviet Union.. now what-- Taliban/Al Qaeda, Iran, North Korea?

Manic · 03-10-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Hypestyle

... so what do the Klingons represent this time around? in TOS, it was more or less the Soviet Union.. now what-- Taliban/Al Qaeda, Iran, North Korea?

Abrams doesn't seem nearly as concerned with socio-political allegory as Roddenberry was, so it's best not to assume they're a metaphor for anything for now.

Pink Ranger · 03-10-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hypestyle

... so what do the Klingons represent this time around? in TOS, it was more or less the Soviet Union.. now what-- Taliban/Al Qaeda, Iran, North Korea?

I suspect Abrams will lean towards the TNG perception of Klingons, as intergalactic samurai bikers.

thestartrekker · 05-02-2013, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic

Abrams doesn't seem nearly as concerned with socio-political allegory as Roddenberry was, so it's best not to assume they're a metaphor for anything for now.

Good Call.
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01-21-2013, 02:07 PM	#1
redhawk23 Zoom! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: St. Louis Posts: 9,187	The Klingon Thread This film features scenes set on the Klingon homeworld. We'll finally get to see the Klingon designs cut out of the first film. Furthermore, the question of whether or not Klingons have ridges in this era is finally settled. According to set reports and advanced screenings they do. Two Klingons are seen without helmets and are reported to have ornamental ridge piercings. There are a few images of the klingon costumes out. Most are stills and clips from the deleted scense from ST09 but the cover of IDW's Into Darkness countdown comic also features a nuKlingon. http://moviepilot.com/stories/781553...-into-darkness Klingon presented on the cover of the last issue of the preview comic, due out a few weeks before the films release. Personally I think that costume is an improvement over the grey trenchcoats they were going to be wearing in Star Trek 09.

01-21-2013, 03:41 PM	#2
Pink Ranger Smooth Operator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 14,381	Re: The Klingon Thread My vote is for mainly ridged Klingons, with some augment-virus Klingons around in the background just as Easter eggs for the hardcore Trekkies. Although it would be interesting if they ever explored the racial differences between "real" Klingons and those descended from the augment-virus infected Klingons. Like maybe the latter are considered "mutants," or maybe (as TOS might indicate) the augment Klingons are a minority that temporarily seizes power through a variety of means. Plenty of examples in human history of that. __________________ 12 hours? You call that a filibuster? Strom Thurmond is laughing at you from hell. ~posted by Thundercrack85 on 04.05.2013

01-21-2013, 04:06 PM	#3
Great Mind(s) Side-Kick Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gamma Quadrant Posts: 1,899	Re: The Klingon Thread What is that picture from!?

01-21-2013, 05:46 PM	#4
The Squirrel Not a Racist Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Up a tree Posts: 16,880	Re: The Klingon Thread Seeing the Klingons again is probably one my top reasons for being excited about the new film.

01-22-2013, 01:35 PM	#6
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01-22-2013, 02:32 PM	#8
SuBe Voluntaryist SHH! Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Libertopia Posts: 11,917	Re: The Klingon Thread Did anyone else notice that Nero and the Romulans were using Klingon disruptors in ST 2009? It bugged me that they got the design wrong until I found out about the deleted sequence in the film. __________________ Hype! FAIRTAX Thead, ask any question at: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=290666 or http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=347909 "Everyday that Congress meets, you lose a little bit more of your Liberty"

01-25-2013, 09:43 AM	#11
Pink Ranger Smooth Operator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 14,381	Re: The Klingon Thread Or they could have just bought Klingon weapons, the same way Americans can buy Russian-made assault rifles. __________________ 12 hours? You call that a filibuster? Strom Thurmond is laughing at you from hell. ~posted by Thundercrack85 on 04.05.2013

01-25-2013, 11:15 AM	#12
redhawk23 Zoom! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: St. Louis Posts: 9,187	Re: The Klingon Thread They broke out of a Klingon prison where they were held for 25 years. I think it's pretty safe to say where they got the Klingon weapons. Also, weird note, originally, when Nero had more scenes throughout the movie he originally did not until after stranding Spock Prime on Trek-Hoth. A 25 year vow of silence. Odd.

01-25-2013, 12:40 PM	#13
Pink Ranger Smooth Operator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 14,381	Re: The Klingon Thread I'm assuming that the deleted scenes never actually "happened" though, unless something in the movie alludes to the opposite. __________________ 12 hours? You call that a filibuster? Strom Thurmond is laughing at you from hell. ~posted by Thundercrack85 on 04.05.2013

01-25-2013, 03:25 PM	#14
SuBe Voluntaryist SHH! Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Libertopia Posts: 11,917	Re: The Klingon Thread This is why we need a Director's Extended Super Cut of the 2009 film. __________________ Hype! FAIRTAX Thead, ask any question at: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=290666 or http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=347909 "Everyday that Congress meets, you lose a little bit more of your Liberty"

02-12-2013, 05:50 PM	#19
Manic No Bueno Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern California Posts: 34,053	Re: The Klingon Thread Well, it's about time we got the Klingons back. Though I will laugh if they take off their forehead-ridged helmets to reveal the "Yellow Peril" Klingons. __________________ The Doctor: "SHOUT?! I DON'T SHOUT!! People who have to resort to shouting to get what they want are merely demonstrating the inherent paucity of their argument! It's something THAT I NEVER NEVER--" Peri: "ALRIGHT, DOCTOR!!" The Doctor: "Point made, I think."

02-20-2013, 02:26 AM	#20
Octoberist point blank Join Date: May 2005 Location: California Posts: 31,675	Re: The Klingon Thread Is there a reason why they're wearing helmets? Is related to their 'ridges disorder'?

03-10-2013, 10:38 AM	#22
Hypestyle Side-Kick Join Date: May 2000 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 4,838	Re: The Klingon Thread ... so what do the Klingons represent this time around? in TOS, it was more or less the Soviet Union.. now what-- Taliban/Al Qaeda, Iran, North Korea?

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