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Old 02-20-2013, 09:01 AM   #376
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Chris Nolan has stated that he was impressed by Donner's Superman The Movie when he was young and the fact that Donner had a great star cast for the movie.
Interesting that Nolan took a very similar approach to his Batman trilogy. Leading man Christian Bale perhaps wasn't a totally unknown quantity in the same manner that Christopher Reeve was in 1978 when Superman came out, but he was still far from being an A-lister or being a household name back in 2005 when he was cast in Batman Begins. (Of course, he's now much better known, thanks mainly to the huge success across the board of all the Batman films made by Nolan).

He was then surrounded by more seasoned and - in some cases - much better known actors, such as Michael Caine, Gary Oldman, Liam Neeson, Cillian Murphy, Rutger Hauer, Tom Wilkinson, Morgan Freeman, etc.

I think an approach like that is great. When your main protagonist is a larger-than-life character (be it Batman or Superman) then I prefer when the actor playing that role is a relative unknown, who carries with them no expectations or idiosyncrasies which you may have noted in their previous work. It makes the believability of their performance so much easier to swallow. And it's fun to see them playing off against a very talented supporting cast.

Putting aside the questions of acting ability or looks, having someone one like Nicholas Cage playing Superman would have been my worst nightmare - he's just too well known and has too much of an established identity. Cavill fits into the role very neatly; known to hardcore fans, but pretty unknown to the general public. For now anyway


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Old 02-20-2013, 09:11 AM   #377
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Unknown is always the best way to go with superhero-characters and the likes.

And damn, BB really does have an amazing cast, when you line it up like that. It always impresses me. Not even MOS can top that.

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So there, absolutely nothing about Nolan helping Goyer with a story. Goyer came up with it on his own. Nolan just pitched it.
That article describes the genesis of the MOS idea and its pitch to WB. But because Empire magazine offers no account of Goyer and Nolan fashioning the idea into a full outline or treatment, you assume that this process never happened?

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Unknown is always the best way to go with superhero-characters and the likes.

And damn, BB really does have an amazing cast, when you line it up like that. It always impresses me. Not even MOS can top that.
imo mos has a better star studded cast

amy adams,russel crowe,kevin Costner,diane lane,michael shannon,fishburne

mos has 13 oscar noms between all it's actors

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imo mos has a better star studded cast

amy adams,russel crowe,kevin Costner,diane lane,michael shannon,fishburne
Morgan Freeman, alone, trumps them all.

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Yeah I'd give the edge to BB. MOS has younger talent but still great.

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Absolutlely.

And Project862006, Caine, Oldman, Neeson, Hauer, Wilkinson and Freeman against Crowe, Costner, Lane and Fishburne is no match. Adams and particularly Shannon just arent that big heavyweights yet despite their acknowledgements.

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Old 02-20-2013, 11:21 AM   #383
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Crowe isn't a big heavyweight anymore and Costner is slowly mounting up a long-overdue comeback. Adams is awesome and the folks know her. Shannon? He's a nobody to the masses.

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That article describes the genesis of the MOS idea and its pitch to WB. But because Empire magazine offers no account of Goyer and Nolan fashioning the idea into a full outline or treatment, you assume that this process never happened?
The article is the March 2013 issue of Empire. The author states that "about three and a half years ago" that this started. What was Nolan doing three and a half years ago? Oh that's right, he was knee deep in shooting Inception, his most personal movie. I just can't see Nolan co-writing a Superman film with Goyer while he was filming Inception.

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The article is the March 2013 issue of Empire. The author states that "about three and a half years ago" that this started. What was Nolan doing three and a half years ago? Oh that's right, he was knee deep in shooting Inception, his most personal movie. I just can't see Nolan co-writing a Superman film with Goyer while he was filming Inception.
According to the very article that you’re citing, Nolan and Goyer were working on the script for TDKR. So, apparently, Nolan was no longer “knee deep” in Inception.

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An argument about which movie has a better cast?Talk about lack of news.Lol.

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Well, it's not that easy.

Some actors are more popular than others, some are more talented, some have a better history, some are living their prime, some have marginal roles in the film, some have more suitable roles, some have better written characters ...

Many things define a good casting.

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And this suppose to be the Official Photo Thread.Who cares which movie have a better cast.

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Nolan was in the middle of shooting Inception by mid 2009, but he did say in interviews that he had a general outline for TDKR before Inception as they (him and Emma) said they knew Bane was the villain before shooting Inception. Which must mean the writer is talking about late 2009 when Nolan was in post for Inception. Perhaps then they made further developments on Batman and the ideas for MOS germinated from Goyer. But I still don't see anything beyond that phone call for Nolan between post for Inception, promoting Inception and getting ready for pre-production on Rises.

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And this suppose to be the Official Photo Thread.Who cares which movie have a better cast.
I don't care, but I enjoy talking about it.

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Nolan was in the middle of shooting Inception by mid 2009, but he did say in interviews that he had a general outline for TDKR before Inception as they (him and Emma) said they knew Bane was the villain before shooting Inception. Which must mean the writer is talking about late 2009 when Nolan was in post for Inception. Perhaps then they made further developments on Batman and the ideas for MOS germinated from Goyer. But I still don't see anything beyond that phone call for Nolan between post for Inception, promoting Inception and getting ready for pre-production on Rises.
Just because its not mentioned in the one article you're bringing up doesn't mean it didn't happen. If they were just trying to attach Nolan's name to the movie, the producing credit would have sufficed. They wouldn't have bothered with giving him a story credit.

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I just don't understand what WB is doing with the marketing at this point. I know that this is the "quiet" period and that things will really heat up soon, but they should be doing something to keep the buzz going.

Why aren't we getting Twitter updates from Snyder about the project? Why didn't WB have Snyder do something similar to what Marc Webb is doing with TASM2? (a completely spoiler-free set picture every week) Also, cat's out of the bag with Zod. Why not even one awesome still shot for him? Nolan gave us an early still of Bane about a year before the release of TDKR. Say what you want about Bane, but at least people were talking about him (and aware of him) well before the film's release. The airplane prologued definitely helped as well. Despite Zod having been in Superman II, let's be honest...he's not exactly the most recognizable or iconic villain. Hardly anyone in the GA will remember him...unless WB shoves him in our face a little bit.

Don't get me started on the fact that we haven't gotten ONE truly awesome still shot of Superman (not counting that photoshopped promotional art).
Probably because they want to market closer to the film's release which is when the general audience will really remember that the film is coming out.

Marketing to people who are already going to see it anyway is likely not much of their concern at this point.

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Morgan Freeman, alone, trumps them all.
Yeah but... Katie Holmes...

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Probably because they want to market closer to the film's release which is when the general audience will really remember that the film is coming out.

Marketing to people who are already going to see it anyway is likely not much of their concern at this point.
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Amy Adams > Katie Holmes... That alone makes this cast superior.

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Nope, the proper equasion will always be Liam Neeson > everything except when everything > TPM.

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Equation....and lets not bring math into this

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Liam Neeson is awesome in human form...

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Personally, I consider Amy Adams the most talented of the two casts (MoS and BB). I mean at the time of filming.

I hope MoS will make use of most of her potential.

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