Do you think Fox will/should make a Silver Surfer film?

[Spider-Fan]

Okay, everyone needs to calm down and rethink much of their posting in here. Just on this page, I see a lot of childish debate on MCU vs FOX. You are more than allowed to discuss that in here, but you all need to learn a lesson in civility. Calling each other children, trolls, etc. isn't constructive debate. It's trash. Please stop doing it. If you guys can't debate this like adults, then I will start treating you like children and start issuing the punishments. Up to you all.

[Spider-Aziz]

Will? Maybe
Should? If they can get the right crew for it, which is doubtful

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by YoungPrime

OBJECTION! This is clearly speculation...LOL

Even with the rights being scattered all over the place, there's only been an average of 3 Marvel films a year.

Lets ask FOX if Hell's Kitchen (Daredevil) and placing things on back burners (not meeting the deadline with 7 years time) have anything in common since this strategy was just as ridiculous when Millar tried preaching it.

FOX barely does one Marvel film a year with more than half of the films they've spoke of in development hell or reverted back to Marvel. Sony made 2 films last year but one (Ghost Rider) was so horrible that no one really remembers it or bothered to see it. And Amazing Spider-man has the lowest US box office numbers of any Spider-man film under Sony to date.

Whereas Marvel Studios clearly breaks down what they're going to do and despite some issues they actually see them all through with great payoff!

Now just because Feige confirm on giving us 2 films a year.... an amount that's still 2 thirds of the Marvel films we get per year anyway, mind you. Doesn't mean that the number is etched in stone.

If Marvel's success continues and there were to get the rights back from say... FOX. Then I see no reason why they wouldn't be able to up the ante to 3 a year, which again is the current average.

It insults readers intelligence to sit here and use FOX (where's Magneto, Surfer and Dead pool?) and Sony's (Where's Venom?) bad business practices on Marvel films to speculate on what Marvel Studios might do if they had those rights. Especially when when none of there actions have been nearly as bad.

I wish I could share your optimism that Marvel would ramp up production to at least three films per year if they got all their properties back. Most of us were expecting a bigger film slate when The House of Mouse took them under their mantle and threw wads of cash at them, but that never changed their production schedule.

And the fact that you use Magneto, Surfer, Deadpool and Venom solo movies as a reference serves to reinforce that fact --- even if Marvel went to three a year, solo projects like those you mentioned are the ones that are likely to be backburnered by mainstays like Spidey, Iron Man and Wolverine.

[TheHeatKitchen]

It would be basically all special effects and have a huge, overflated budget. I picture it as Green Lantern with a smaller cast basically. Only the story would be less personable because the primary protagonist isn't human and they would have to take up so much time creating a complex backstory for him to give the casual fans the desire to really engage in the story.

Just not worth it.

[YoungPrime]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

I wish I could share your optimism that Marvel would ramp up production to at least three films per year if they got all their properties back. Most of us were expecting a bigger film slate when The House of Mouse took them under their mantle and threw wads of cash at them, but that never changed their production schedule.

And the fact that you use Magneto, Surfer, Deadpool and Venom solo movies as a reference serves to reinforce that fact --- even if Marvel went to three a year, solo projects like those you mentioned are the ones that are likely to be backburnered by mainstays like Spidey, Iron Man and Wolverine.

Okay from a Hollywood standpoint do you really think it wise for any studio would release all of there major tittles in one year?

Do you really see Spidey, Iron Man and X-men all coming out in one year or will they spread them out with 2 mid to low budget projects?

Example:

With Ironman 3 releasing with Thor 2 this year a low to mid range ($60-$80mill) Deadpool could've released in March.

Next year could be Cap, X-men and GOTG.

2015: Dr. Strange, Avengers 2, Ant-man

2016: FF, Cap 3, Thor 3

2017:GOTG 2, Black Panther, X-men2

Etc, etc....

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by YoungPrime

Okay from a Hollywood standpoint do you really think it wise for any studio would release all of there major tittles in one year?

Do you really see Spidey, Iron Man and X-men all coming out in one year or will they spread them out with 2 mid to low budget projects?

Example:

With Ironman 3 releasing with Thor 2 this year a low to mid range ($60-$80mill) Deadpool could've released in March.

Next year could be Cap, X-men and GOTG.

2015: Dr. Strange, Avengers 2, Ant-man

2016: FF, Cap 3, Thor 3

2017:GOTG 2, Black Panther, X-men2

Etc, etc....

Look at it this way: These are the Marvel movies (at whichever studio) that either already have made their way to the big screen or which have been heavily rumored to be in some stage of development more advanced than "gee, wouldn't it be neat if...":

Ant-Man
Avengers
Black Panther
Black Widow
Blade
Captain America
Daredevil
Deadpool
Deathlok
Doctor Strange
Elektra
Fantastic Four
Ghost Rider
Guardians of the Galaxy
Hulk
Inhumans
Iron Fist
Iron Man
Luke Cage
Magneto
Man-Thing
Ms. Marvel
Namor: The Sub-Mariner
Nick Fury
Punisher
Runaways
Silver Surfer
Spider-Man
Thor
Venom
Wolverine
X-Men

Considering that each Marvel "phase" lasts three to four years, that's 9-12 movies per phase if you go with your 3-per format; 6-8 movies per phase if you go with the current 2-per model. I just listed *32* movies in different stages of development. That's at least 20 movie franchises that just bit the dust right there. Which ones do you think Marvel can afford to lose? And which ones do you think fans will demand the most? Do you begin to see the magnitude of the problem?

[blalex620]

Starting next year we're likely to 4 Marvel films each year throughout the different studios and then add if WB gets there **** together that's 5-6 blockbuster superhero films a year Even if Marvel did get all their properties back they know they wouldn't be able to make more than 3 maybe 4 films a year (if WB is making SH films too) lest they run the risk of over saturating the market

[pr0xyt0xin]

Originally Posted by blalex620

Have to nicely disagree (don't want to be flamed lol) but it was the best until TDK came out

:nods:

[pr0xyt0xin]

I'm so glad Sony owns the rights to Spidey right now. It really does seem like they are interested in doing a Sinister Six saga with an amazing cast and an above average director. Marvel/Disney being able to focus on this along with their other franchises is unlikely at best.

I'm also thrilled X-Men is stuck at Fox. They may be doing a ****e job with continuity and such, but I'm the type that likes an X-less MCU. No mutants is just fine with me.

As far as F4 goes, I'm just waiting to see what happens. Fox could screw it up, which would suck, or they could surprise us all. Which is what I'm hoping for. Call me optimistic.

[psylockolussus]

No. They just have to prioritize doing X-Men movies and Fantastic Four movies.

[blalex620]

Originally Posted by psylockolussus

No. They just have to prioritize doing X-Men movies and Fantastic Four movies.

Explain please

[Jick09]

I have no interest in a Silver Surfer movie. The character is not that interesting to me.

[SlamAdams]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

I wish I could share your optimism that Marvel would ramp up production to at least three films per year if they got all their properties back. Most of us were expecting a bigger film slate when The House of Mouse took them under their mantle and threw wads of cash at them, but that never changed their production schedule. .

I feel like the biggest issue in ramping up production schedule to include more films is that Fiege seems bent on being very hands on. They need another producer to work on his own corner of the universe.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by SlamAdams

I feel like the biggest issue in ramping up production schedule to include more films is that Fiege seems bent on being very hands on. They need another producer to work on his own corner of the universe.

I'm sure that would be an issue, too. And what if Disney chooses to hire a producer who already has experience with successful superhero movies --- like Gale Ann Hurd? Then you're right back to square one, ironically enough.

That's why I think the current system of outsourcing the X-Universe and Spidey Universe (and soon the Fantastic Universe, I reckon) takes a lot of the workload and budgetary woes off Disney and Marvel's backs. I'm sure Feige and his guys feel that way, too.

[SlamAdams]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

I'm sure that would be an issue, too. And what if Disney chooses to hire a producer who already has experience with successful superhero movies --- like Gale Ann Hurd? Then you're right back to square one, ironically enough.

That's why I think the current system of outsourcing the X-Universe and Spidey Universe (and soon the Fantastic Universe, I reckon) takes a lot of the workload and budgetary woes off Disney and Marvel's backs. I'm sure Feige and his guys feel that way, too.

I dont think anyone would argue that, but people including Feige seem more interested in quality assurance and crossover potential all of which is much easier under one roof. I, for one, would be happy to live with the current schedule for the sake of those issues.

[YoungPrime]

Originally Posted by blalex620

Starting next year we're likely to 4 Marvel films each year throughout the different studios and then add if WB gets there **** together that's 5-6 blockbuster superhero films a year Even if Marvel did get all their properties back they know they wouldn't be able to make more than 3 maybe 4 films a year (if WB is making SH films too) lest they run the risk of over saturating the market

I'm glad you brought up WB.

They've got all their eggs in one basket and choose to twiddle their thumbs. Marvel Studios make an average of 2 solid films a year and people are acting like they're WB/DC when they've been nothing but the opposite.

Here's the thing...with Ghost Rider floping and Venom in devlopment hell you'll be lucky to even seen a Marvel film from Sony every 2-3 years.

FOX is on borrowed time. If their movies continue to under-perform then all you'll get from them is more talk from Singer, Millar and Donnor about what they might do instead of actually doing it! Funny thing is that FOX has 13 year in the game and have never done more than one film a year. (If that!)

To be be fair I'm not really that cross with Sony's Spider-man (still wont watch it theaters though) but FOX/Marvel has to go!

[YoungPrime]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Look at it this way: These are the Marvel movies (at whichever studio) that either already have made their way to the big screen or which have been heavily rumored to be in some stage of development more advanced than "gee, wouldn't it be neat if...":


Considering that each Marvel "phase" lasts three to four years, that's 9-12 movies per phase if you go with your 3-per format; 6-8 movies per phase if you go with the current 2-per model. I just listed *32* movies in different stages of development. That's at least 20 movie franchises that just bit the dust right there. Which ones do you think Marvel can afford to lose? And which ones do you think fans will demand the most? Do you begin to see the magnitude of the problem?

Most of these characters can be consolidated into other Marvel films. You're just being greedy...

Ant-Man: Is in production by Marvel
Avengers: Was released and was a huge success
Black Panther: In the pipeline by Marvel
Black Widow: Is part of the Avengers and has cameo's in Ironman 2 and the upcomming Captain America sequel.
Blade: Has reverted back to Marvel but no news on a release/reboot.
Captain America: Has a sequel in production
Daredevil: Was just veverted back to Marvel after sitting at FOX for 9 years.
Deadpool: Had poor portrayal at FOX and has been in development hell since Wolverine: Oringin's
Deathlok: ...........WTF???
Doctor Strange: Is in production by Marvel
Elektra: Still possibly stuck at FOX.
Fantastic Four: Unfortunately being rebooted by FOX. (God help us)
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengence was flop. Will likely revert back to Marvel but the damage is already done.
Guardians of the Galaxy: Has a 8/2/14 release date under Marvel
Hulk: Currently part of the Avengers but a sequel is possible.
Inhumans: There was talks of a film but nothing concrete. (Could very well be Marvel's X-men done right.)
Iron Fist: A low budget movie with Luke cage could be done but no news yet.
Iron Man: Has own franchase plus part of Avengers.
Luke Cage: See Iron Fist.
Magneto: He's in every X-men film already. Doesn't even have a solo comic why would he need a solo film...
Man-Thing: Had a cheap film that aired on the Sci-fi chanel. It sucked.
Ms. Marvel: Could feature in Hulk, Ironman films as part of becoming an Avenger. Solo film is not necessary.
Namor: Doesn't need a solo film
Nick Fury: Will be seen in Cap and Avengers sequels. Could cameo in T.V. show a Solo film would be nice.
Punisher: Was just veverted back to Marvel.
Runaways: Meh...Could be featured on the SHIELD show if that. Solo film not necessary.
Silver Surfer: In development hell at FOX.
Spider-Man: Still at Sony. US box office on a continuing downward spiral.
Thor: Film releasing in Nov. this year.
Venom: In development hell at Sony.
Wolverine: Will flop in July.
X-Men: Releasing DOFP on 7/18/14. Success is questionable.

[cherokeesam]

...Thank god people with actual filmmaking and business experience handling hundreds of millions of dollars make those decisions instead of fanboys. In a perfect fan world, we can all be blissfully naive and money grows on trees and all your favorite movies are everybody else's favorite movies.

Meanwhile: back to reality.

*fa la la la la la la la la la*

[BMM]

Originally Posted by YoungPrime

Funny thing is that FOX has 13 year in the game and have never done more than one film a year. (If that!)

Daredevil and X2 were released in 2003, and Elektra and Fantastic Four were released in 2005...

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

...Thank god people with actual filmmaking and business experience handling hundreds of millions of dollars make those decisions instead of fanboys. In a perfect fan world, we can all be blissfully naive and money grows on trees and all your favorite movies are everybody else's favorite movies.

Meanwhile: back to reality.

*fa la la la la la la la la la*

Good god, no kidding. All this talk about Fox and Sony and what they aren't doing right, and people still don't know what they're talking about. Yes, let's just consolidate characters and start tossing them into films, because that's worked so well in the past.

[YoungPrime]

Originally Posted by BMM

Daredevil and X2 were released in 2003, and Elektra and Fantastic Four were released in 2005...

Your right I was mistaken...BUT on the other hand FOX was 1 out of 4 those years.

Thanks for the correction. Even YoungPrime isn't perfect.

Originally Posted by BMM

Good god, no kidding. All this talk about Fox and Sony and what they aren't doing right, and people still don't know what they're talking about..

Wow I make one a mix up on dates regarding films that were mostly forgetable anyway and now I'm clueless?

SMH.

Originally Posted by BMM

Yes, let's just consolidate characters and start tossing them into films, because that's worked so well in the past.

Maybe not for FOX but what part about Luke Cage and Iron Fist linking up for a Hero's for Hire film warranted your sarcasm?

I'll wait........

[YoungPrime]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

...Thank god people with actual filmmaking and business experience handling hundreds of millions of dollars make those decisions instead of fanboys. In a perfect fan world, we can all be blissfully naive and money grows on trees and all your favorite movies are everybody else's favorite movies.

Meanwhile: back to reality.

*fa la la la la la la la la la*

Fine Deathlock and the Runaways can have solo films...

Just don't go to bed mad okay?

[blalex620]

As one who enjoyed XM:FC almost as much as the first X film I'm more inclined to believe that their previous FF screw up was just that. With Millar on board(a comic vet) with helping their films I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt with their new FF in 2015. Plus I believe XM: DoFP is going to be epic I mean as much as people get on Singer about Superman(I hated it as much as everyone else) he has a proven track record with X films. Maybe he just knows how to do them correctly, whatever that is I'm sure he's going to translate that into DoFP too.

[kedrell]

I've long wished for the X-franchise to get away from Singer and all the issues that come with him(Singer's Soap Box style) in the way that the Spidey franchise did with ASM and getting away from the Raimiverse(which had it's own issues). But even though Vaughn directed XMFC, it was still stuck being tied to the Singerverse and inheriting that baggage(probably because Singer was still the main producer on the project). Oh well.

[metaphysician]

Originally Posted by SlamAdams

I feel like the biggest issue in ramping up production schedule to include more films is that Fiege seems bent on being very hands on. They need another producer to work on his own corner of the universe.

That is an extremely risky action to take, though, because its not at all clear the same level of quality could be maintained without Feige's hand in everything. I'd rather have fewer movies if thats what it takes to keep them all good.

[YoungPrime]

Originally Posted by metaphysician

That is an extremely risky action to take, though, because its not at all clear the same level of quality could be maintained without Feige's hand in everything. I'd rather have fewer movies if thats what it takes to keep them all good.

Well I'm with you on that...

I mean do we honestly need 32 different Marvels films or are fans asking for a tad bit too much from Hollywood?

Cameo's, features and T.V. show entries done right would resolve a lot of this.

Having FOX and Sony churn out sub-par films to meet their deadline is in no way better than having to wait for Marvel to do a proper one.