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Old 02-23-2013, 11:40 PM   #1
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Default What did Dr. Pavel do after the plane crash?

We don't see Dr. Pavel after he is carried away by Bane in the air, until the scene where Bane gets him to set the bomb. What was Dr. Pavel doing and where was he staying after being kidnapped by Bane?

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Old 02-24-2013, 12:02 AM   #2
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He was gagged up detained and bound constrained in Bane's dungeon prison.

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Old 02-24-2013, 02:02 AM   #3
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He was being watched over by LoS members until he was needed. Not to be rude, but is it even really important, though?

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Bane gave him a set of Operation



to keep him entertained.

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He held onto his fear for later.

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Old 02-24-2013, 09:56 AM   #6
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He was being watched over by LoS members until he was needed. Not to be rude, but is it even really important, though?
It is important to know where he was and what he was doing. Was he stuck in the sewer with Bane for 6 months? When they showed him setting the bomb, he didn't appear to be in rough shape at all, even though he had been watched over by LOS members for that entire time. You would think he would have gone crazy by that point.

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Also when Bruce Wayne climbed the pit, how did the rope end up at the top of the pit? Someone would have had to have pulled it up.

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Old 02-24-2013, 10:17 AM   #8
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thats not the climbing rope.. its a rope for the los members when they go down..

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Old 02-24-2013, 11:52 AM   #9
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He held onto his fear for later.
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It is important to know where he was and what he was doing. Was he stuck in the sewer with Bane for 6 months? When they showed him setting the bomb, he didn't appear to be in rough shape at all, even though he had been watched over by LOS members for that entire time. You would think he would have gone crazy by that point.
Explain how it's important, lol.

And how would it be "crazy" for the LoS to watch over Pavel? They wanted him healthy. It's not exactly strategic to have a rundown Pavel helping them turn a fusion reactor into a nuclear bomb.

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Also when Bruce Wayne climbed the pit, how did the rope end up at the top of the pit? Someone would have had to have pulled it up.
That was a different rope.

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Explain how it's important, lol.

And how would it be "crazy" for the LoS to watch over Pavel? They wanted him healthy. It's not exactly strategic to have a rundown Pavel helping them turn a fusion reactor into a nuclear bomb.
Where did they keep Pavel? If they had him in the sewers the entire time, he would have gone crazy. He also didn't appear that pissed off when he set the bomb. Wouldn't he be upset that he was kept away from wherever he wanted to be for six months?

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Who's to say he would've gone crazy? The cops didn't go crazy for being trapped for five months, so why would Pavel?

And he was severely pissed when Bane had his men take the bomb out of the stabilizer.

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Glad you liked it.

About this, I wonder what segment of the plan Bane was referring to with that line?

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Where did they keep Pavel?
They could have kept him anywhere. Clearly the LoS had bases throughout the world (the place in China, the place they launched their airplane from, etc.). But as you said, he might very well have been in the sewers with Bane for a while.

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Why would he have gone crazy? The LoS wouldn't have kept him in solitary confinement, nor would they have treated him unnecessarily roughly. The sewers may not have sunlight, but I'm sure he was well-fed, provided with diversions (such as reading), etc. The LoS needed him to be mentally and physically in good shape, so he could perform the function they needed him for.

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He also didn't appear that pissed off when he set the bomb. Wouldn't he be upset that he was kept away from wherever he wanted to be for six months?
Sure, but he probably also saw the hopelessness of his situation. After six months, he probably felt it was pointless to resist and just went along with it, knowing it was his best chance for saving his family (who Bane was holding hostage).

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You think Bane had his family? I thought it was Bane' League leader showing there.

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You think Bane had his family? I thought it was Bane' League leader showing there.
I'm not sure. When he said "For the sake of your children, I hope so..." I'm not sure if he literally meant Pavel's children (as in, he had them hostage) or if he meant in the grand scheme (that his plan was for the good of all of humanity's children).

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Old 02-25-2013, 01:23 PM   #17
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I assumed Pavel had a family, but Bane didn't really have them as hostages, they were just halfway around the world from where Pavel is.

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They could have kept him anywhere. Clearly the LoS had bases throughout the world (the place in China, the place they launched their airplane from, etc.). But as you said, he might very well have been in the sewers with Bane for a while.



Why would he have gone crazy? The LoS wouldn't have kept him in solitary confinement, nor would they have treated him unnecessarily roughly. The sewers may not have sunlight, but I'm sure he was well-fed, provided with diversions (such as reading), etc. The LoS needed him to be mentally and physically in good shape, so he could perform the function they needed him for.



Sure, but he probably also saw the hopelessness of his situation. After six months, he probably felt it was pointless to resist and just went along with it, knowing it was his best chance for saving his family (who Bane was holding hostage).
Well the film should have made an attempt to explain what Pavel did during all that time. Although when Bane killed Pavel, how much time did the bomb have to expire? I have forgotten that part. If it was five more months for the bomb to go off when Bane killed Pavel, then he wasn't kept hostage for as long.

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Okay another question, where and how did they capture Bane for the plane heist, and what was he up to before being caught? I thought he was rejected by the League of Shadows, so he couldn't have been hanging out with League of Shadows people before getting caught on purpose.

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Who cares where he was, it's irrelevant. It's also common sense to just think of a place where the LOS kept him.

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Well the film should have made an attempt to explain what Pavel did during all that time.
Why should it have?

It's not relevant to the story and plot, or main characters. The movie was quite long and STILL didn't touch deeply enough on many more important issues and themes. It certainly didn't need to waste any more screentime on Pavel.

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Pavel was kept as a hostage for six months, as the prologue (the plane heist) takes place six months before Bane enacts his plan in Gotham (confirmed in dialogue by Talia when Bruce shows the reactor to her). The bomb then goes off five months after that.

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Okay another question, where and how did they capture Bane for the plane heist, and what was he up to before being caught?
Nobody captured Bane for the plane heist. The whole thing was a setup orchestrated by Bane, to get him on the plane with Dr. Pavel so they could extract him. The person driving the car (carrying Bane and the other hooded thugs) was Barsad, Bane's right-hand man.

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Bane was rejected by the League of Shadows by Ra's al Ghul, before "Batman Begins." This movie, "The Dark Knight Rises," takes place 9 years after "Batman Begins."

After Batman defeats Ra's, it's perfectly conceivable that the League of Shadows was in shambles, and that Bane and Talia went back to the League to take over the leadership in the resulting power vacuum.

It's also perfectly conceivable that Bane wasn't actually leading the League, and that he just claimed to for his own purposes.

It's also perfectly conceivable that he made his own, new "League of Shadows," now that the original, Ra's-League had been defeated.

Both of these latter two theories jive with the fact that Bane's methods seem a bit more blatant and roundabout than typical League methods.

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Where did they keep Pavel? If they had him in the sewers the entire time, he would have gone crazy. He also didn't appear that pissed off when he set the bomb. Wouldn't he be upset that he was kept away from wherever he wanted to be for six months?
Bane kept Pavel inside his mask. That's why it looks like cage bars.

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Okay another question, where and how did they capture Bane for the plane heist, and what was he up to before being caught? I thought he was rejected by the League of Shadows, so he couldn't have been hanging out with League of Shadows people before getting caught on purpose.
Seriously man, you're asking some pretty irrelevant questions, lol.

But, I'll bite...Bane was ex-communicated, indeed, but that was during Ra's al Ghul's reign. He died years ago and him and Talia al Ghul started what should be called the League of Shadows 2.0. And no one "captured" Bane. It was a ploy to take down the CIA's plane and their plan of escorting Dr. Pavel into the US under their custody.

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Why should it have?

It's not relevant to the story and plot, or main characters. The movie was quite long and STILL didn't touch deeply enough on many more important issues and themes. It certainly didn't need to waste any more screentime on Pavel.



Pavel was kept as a hostage for six months, as the prologue (the plane heist) takes place six months before Bane enacts his plan in Gotham (confirmed in dialogue by Talia when Bruce shows the reactor to her). The bomb then goes off five months after that.



Nobody captured Bane for the plane heist. The whole thing was a setup orchestrated by Bane, to get him on the plane with Dr. Pavel so they could extract him. The person driving the car (carrying Bane and the other hooded thugs) was Barsad, Bane's right-hand man.



Bane was rejected by the League of Shadows by Ra's al Ghul, before "Batman Begins." This movie, "The Dark Knight Rises," takes place 9 years after "Batman Begins."

After Batman defeats Ra's, it's perfectly conceivable that the League of Shadows was in shambles, and that Bane and Talia went back to the League to take over the leadership in the resulting power vacuum.

It's also perfectly conceivable that Bane wasn't actually leading the League, and that he just claimed to for his own purposes.

It's also perfectly conceivable that he made his own, new "League of Shadows," now that the original, Ra's-League had been defeated.

Both of these latter two theories jive with the fact that Bane's methods seem a bit more blatant and roundabout than typical League methods.
Who was the guy on the plane that they took blood from, and why did they put blood into Dr. Pavel? Then there was another guy that asked Bane something about the fire rising. What was the deal with that guy?

I think they could have explained where Pavel was by showing him in the scene where Gordon is taken into the sewers.

Also did Bane ever do anything for fun in his spare time? He had a lot of time to kill in the sewers and doing stuff with the League of Shadows. And that mask, did he ever take it off and wash it and his face? Because that would suck if he didn't. Yes I know the mask holds his pain at bay, but he also would need to wash his face and the mask every two weeks as well as shave.

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Tincan, did you understand anything in the film? I'm being serious when I ask this and not trying to be douchey.

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