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Plus, y'know...cinema goers between the age of 14 and 30 who don't really care about the deeper aspects of it and just want to be entertained, an audience that was clearly captured by the films.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again - I simply expected better from Nolan. The film lacked focus, it was trying to do too much and as a result it's muddled. The film lacks genuine surprises, feels labourious at times, is bogged down by McGuffins and flat out lacks logic in some instances. I don't know quite what i was hoping for but it wasn't what we ended up with. Still haven't bought the DVD yet and I'm in no rush to do so.
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I thought it was just as good, if not better, than Begins. Most of what I see pointed out as flaws are either nitpicks or things I can defend from attack, but ultimately, in art, all is subjective. One man's nitpick is another man's unforgivable sin. One man's "that plot twist moved me" is another man's "that plot twist left me cold". None the less, 8/10 film for me.
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Because it wasn't as iconic as TDK people jump to the conclusion that it's trash.
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I'm 23 years old.
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Sadly, yah....
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I would argue that this film was more focused than its predecessors.
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Yeah, if there's one thing the film didn't lack, it was focus. The focus was on Bruce Wayne and the end of his journey. That could not have been more clear.
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Agreed. This film focused more on the characters than the past two films that tried to cover all of Gotham. While some can view it as a "bad thing", the third film felt the most like a character piece and it worked with it being the ending of the series as it had to bring closure to Bruce Wayne's story and build up the "newcomer", Robin John Blake.
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Yeah that's why there was numerous complaints about too much Blake, not enough Catwoman, too much Bruce and too little Batman, Tate/Talia being under developed, wasting time on bad characters like Foley etc because TDKR was so successful at being more focused on the characters.
It was the least successful one at handling it's characters, IMO. BB and TDK had a much stronger and more focused narrative.
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I seriously liked Blake, but I agree that less focus on him would've given them time to better flesh out the Catwoman/Batman chemistry (I wanted at least one fight/chase between them!), Talia, Bane, etcetera.
But when I step back and think about how it would have gone... the less we saw of Batman in TDKR.. the better. They just didn't know how to portray him very well anymore at that point, and the voice had degraded. Bruce was a better Batman than Batman was in a lot of ways, so I was happy with just that. Boggles me that they nailed it in Begins and then somehow lost touch with it over ime, but I'd rather have it rubbed in as little as possible.
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The Dark Knight Rises is, IMO, the weakest of the Nolan films. It's just not as strong from a story/character perspective as BB or TDK.
I loved Bane and Blake in the film. Joesph Gordon Levit is quickly becoming one of my favourite actors. But it just feels like the series went out in a puff of smoke rather than a bang. After TDK, I really am disappointed by this film. Or it just wasn't as good as the previous films. I have re-wached it many times and it just doesn't hold up as well as the other two.
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But we needed at least one more scene of Bale in the suit doing something Batman-like and an extension of some of the Batman scenes during the final battle. The characterizations of Batman in BB and TDK were perfect for me, in that we had the shadowy/creature of the night in BB and a more "on-the-go" crime-fighting Batman, in his prime, in TDK. I liked where they were going with the whole legendary status and possible past his prime take on Batman/Bruce. I just wish we had some more of Bale in the suit, but that's probably my inner fan boy nitpicking. |
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The focus of the film is Bruce Wayne. Name any element of the film and it ultimately ties back to Bruce's character, be it symbolically or literally.
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It was just not a very well delivered movie when compared to the other two. The other two had me interested. Had me hooked. This one didn't. I keep drifting off in large parts. It's just not as interesting.
And it's such a shame.
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It was almost like he was doing an impression of them. The only other time I ever felt like this in the trilogy was the "Ex-communicated by a gang of psychopaths" line. Other than those two offenses, it was shifty between fine to a little disappointing in TDK, and rocky-to-tolerable in TDKR. And 90-something% awesome in Begins. My favorite delivery in TDK is probably his scolding Harvey the first time he flips the coin while interrogating a dude, before he becomes Two-Face. The Joker goon with the Rachel Dawes badge. Oh, and also the "You're the one holding the gun, Harvey" bit. ![]() ![]() Quote:
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I spent a lot of time defending The Dark Knight in this respect, and it was understandable how some people couldn't see it, but Rises? It seems like quiiite a stretch to say Bruce isn't the obvious focus there!
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