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View Poll Results: What do you want fixed for the Batman reboot? (multiple votes allowed)
More impressive fight scenes 110 59.14%
"World's greatest detective" better displayed 133 71.51%
More imaginative villains/concepts explored 81 43.55%
More iconic imagery (Gotham/Batmobile/etc) 72 38.71%
Sidekicks included (Robin, Nightwing, Oracle) 65 34.95%
Full extent of Batman's various training better implied (flashbacks?) 32 17.20%
No growling Bat-voice 66 35.48%
Bruce is the mask, Batman is the true face 49 26.34%
Fix the suit (NO RUBBER) 46 24.73%
Fix the suit (BUT USING RUBBER AGAIN) 13 6.99%
No love interest 25 13.44%
No Lucius Fox (Batman does all the brainy work) 30 16.13%
Batman is a more shadowy and mysterious figure 63 33.87%
More BTAS influence 59 31.72%
More Arkham Asylum influence 69 37.10%
More comic book influence (70's-current) 28 15.05%
More memorable theme music 29 15.59%
Moar prep-time!!! (Batman is always a few steps ahead) 37 19.89%
All of the above 9 4.84%
other (please specify below) 14 7.53%
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:43 PM   #26
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The idea that a reboot needs to "fix" anything from previous films is something quite baffling. Okay, so you didn't like how previous films did, but wanting a reboot to fix that is really taking out what the director/producers/what have you want to do with the next version of Batman. Trying to "fix" something shouldn't even pop into their heads at all.

In any case, rather not "fixing" something, I do want to see more "colorful" villains that goes outside of science and "realism" as well as sidekicks being used.

And the whole detective angle and people wanting more bugs me to death really. That side is used when needed. I do not want a Batfilm that tries to shove that side of Batman into my face when it's not needed.

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Old 03-05-2013, 05:34 PM   #27
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And the whole detective angle and people wanting more bugs me to death really. That side is used when needed. I do not want a Batfilm that tries to shove that side of Batman into my face when it's not needed.
To a lot of people, that's Batman's defining characteristic, being a detective, as much as it is for Sherlock Holmes.

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Old 03-05-2013, 07:28 PM   #28
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Especially if they're setting up a justice league film, if he's not a deductive and tactiacal genius/inventor then what purpose does he serve on the justice league? Aside from those characteristics there's nothing he can't do that superman, flash or wonder Woman can't.

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Old 03-05-2013, 07:41 PM   #29
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To a lot of people, that's Batman's defining characteristic, being a detective, as much as it is for Sherlock Holmes.
I never got what people want to see. He did plenty of detective work in The Dark Knight Trilogy.

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Old 03-05-2013, 07:53 PM   #30
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He did CSI forensics. Relying mostly on technology.

I think people want to see Batman figuring out difficult things moment to moment while being in costume clearly displaying a brilliant Sherlockian mind.

You know, BTAS, Arkham Asylum, comic book kinda stuff.

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Old 03-05-2013, 08:11 PM   #31
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Arkham Asylum? Where he used CSI techniques? Lol.

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Old 03-05-2013, 08:39 PM   #32
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Wasn't there detective mode where you would unsolve mysteries throughout the game.

and wasn't it available most of the game?

I'm surprised you missed that, lol.

Anyway what about BTAS and the comics? Batman often figures out complex mysteries and problems just looking around while Batman. In the Nolan movies it just looks like he relies on expenive toys rather than a brilliant deductive mind.

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Old 03-05-2013, 08:56 PM   #33
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So...you get that with The Riddler? Not every villain can raise the detective bar in that aspect more than The Riddler, lol.

And also...mechanics in video games do not work on film....thought you would know that.


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Old 03-05-2013, 09:11 PM   #34
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It needs to set it up so that they can have nightwing by the third movie

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Old 03-05-2013, 09:20 PM   #35
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He did CSI forensics. Relying mostly on technology.

I think people want to see Batman figuring out difficult things moment to moment while being in costume clearly displaying a brilliant Sherlockian mind.

You know, BTAS, Arkham Asylum, comic book kinda stuff.
Interrogations, the tracker in the pearls, the so-called untraceable mixture Selina uses on the safe that he picks up on and so on. Detective/clever Batman moments should come naturally from the plot and the plot should not be made just to have detective moments.

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I'm just saying, the world's greatest detective should be like Morgan Freeman in Se7en. Not some random techie on CSI.

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Interrogations, the tracker in the pearls, the so-called untraceable mixture Selina uses on the safe that he picks up on and so on. Detective/clever Batman moments should come naturally from the plot and the plot should not be made just to have detective moments.
Why wouldn't what I'm suggesting come naturally from the plot?

Obviously a writer has to know what the protagonist is capable of before they even structure the plot.

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Old 03-05-2013, 09:46 PM   #38
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Why wouldn't what I'm suggesting come naturally from the plot?
Because your idea is bringing up a video game where the mechanics were to answer unsolved riddles outside Batman using CSI techniques which you said you didn't want. I don't know what else you're craving for if your idea from the Arkham games makes no sense.

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Because your idea is bringing up a video game where the mechanics were to answer unsolved riddles outside Batman using CSI techniques which you said you didn't want. I don't know what else you're craving for if your idea from the Arkham games makes no sense.
Why do you keep bringing up Arkham? I also suggested BTAS and decades worth of comics which have hundreds of examples of less tech-reliant detective work.

Technology doesn't pursuade anyone that Batman is a world class detective. Audiences see those things done every week on countless CSI shows.

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Old 03-05-2013, 09:56 PM   #40
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The first thing you brought up was Arkham, and so I'm telling you why that idea doesn't work. Simple.

You're right, he could be more detective-y as in the comics and cartoons, but the Arkham argument falls flat.

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I brought up all three sources at the same time.

Anyway I like the way Batman quickly figures out clues while on mission in Arkham games. That component should be added to the movies.

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Old 03-05-2013, 10:21 PM   #42
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One thing I wish Bruce could've solved by himself was knowing the child wasn't Bane when he knew that the child had a protector. While there is no reason for him to know Miranda was the child, he should've known Bane sure wasn't.

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It also sould have been HIM who dug up banes background. Not basil exposition as played by sir Michael Caine.

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Old 03-06-2013, 10:48 AM   #44
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Alfred doing the research didn't bother me much. Bruce was talking to Blake when Alfred looked it up the fist time and then he was trying to get Bruce to be cautious with the second time when he brought up Bane being ex-communicated and what not. Batman should have a system where he can find out more than what the government can, so Nolan at least got halfway there by finally giving Bruce that(he semi had it in TDK when he was able to find out about certain addresses and who's in Arkham and now out like that Thomas Shift guy).

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And the whole detective angle and people wanting more bugs me to death really. That side is used when needed. I do not want a Batfilm that tries to shove that side of Batman into my face when it's not needed.
The detective side of Batman has been cripplingly underrepresented in the live action movies so far. I want a low key, personal Batman narrative where he spends at least two thirds of it extracting information, finding clues, unearthing mysteries etc. This is why a David Fincher would be ideal, because no other director can make scenes of cold procedure look so viscerally enchanting.

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The voice would be fine if they took the Begins approach and ditched the awful TDK/TDKR version.

I would like something smokier though. Keaton had an awesome voice, but I'd like something more powerful and ominous than that too.

Blend Keaton with Begins Bale and presto.
I like that.

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I want to see the Bruce Wayne who, as a child, dedicates his life to making sure no one has to suffer like he did, who spends his life training and working to do so, and who braves every obstacle along the way, and who struggles with becoming something dark and violent, but who eventually realizes he can be both Bruce Wayne and Batman, and have both a mission/duty and some happiness.

You know...Batman.

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Old 03-06-2013, 01:40 PM   #48
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When has Bruce Wayne ever really been truly happy?

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The detective side of Batman has been cripplingly underrepresented in the live action movies so far. I want a low key, personal Batman narrative where he spends at least two thirds of it extracting information, finding clues, unearthing mysteries etc. This is why a David Fincher would be ideal, because no other director can make scenes of cold procedure look so viscerally enchanting.
I'll be fine if one third of the film is like this. BUT, still...I want it to make sense as it made sense during Nolan's trilogy.

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I want to see the Bruce Wayne who, as a child, dedicates his life to making sure no one has to suffer like he did, who spends his life training and working to do so, and who braves every obstacle along the way, and who struggles with becoming something dark and violent, but who eventually realizes he can be both Bruce Wayne and Batman, and have both a mission/duty and some happiness.

You know...Batman.
Why does he need to make a compromise and be somewhat happy?

Batman should always be the one hero who doesn't compromise his commitment to crime fighting in anyway. It's all he knows or truly cares about, that's the reason he's so good.

and we saw Bruce compromise in TDKR, we don't need a repeat.

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When has Bruce Wayne ever really been truly happy?
Seriously?

Fairly often.

He banters with Alfred, Dick, Tim, Damian, various heroes. He has friends and allies, he has positive encounters as well as negative ones with various personalities.

Being Batman is what makes him happy. He's not happy all the time (and who is?), but by the time he's a fully formed character, that's what he wants to do with his life, and he has made this decision, and is content with it.

Just because you brood doesn't mean you're not ever happy. This is the issue most writers have. They paint being Batman as this massive curse, and he doesn't neccessarily see it that way.

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