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A good actor (like Bale) could deliver that line in a number of ways. A lot of intensity can be displayed through a quiet tone, and I'm certain both Bale and Nolan would have advocated for that sort of delivery. |
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To add.
ALFRED And what if, to spare you pain...I’d burned that letter? Wayne stares at Alfred, shocked. WAYNE Why would you say such a thing? ALFRED Because I have to make you understand. WAYNE You’re lying. ALFRED Because you are as precious to me as you were to your own mother and father and I swore to them that I would protect you and I haven’t . WAYNE You’re lying! ALFRED I’ve never lied to you. Except when I burned Rachel’s letter. Wayne turns on the old man, furious. WAYNE How dare you use Rachel to stop me! This is the major bit that was cut out, and other than the "Except when I burned Rachel's letter" line, I think it was the best part of the scene. |
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I'm perfectly fine with what's left out. And besides the 'trust' remark is stated at the end of TDKR anyways when he's talking to the tombstones of Thomas and Martha. That always felt enough.
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Still, the whole part about failing as Bruce Wayne definitely should have been left in, IMO. |
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But that brings me to another problem with the film. Alfred is gone and that's it. Other than Bruce's "Alfred?" immediately following his departure, he isn't brought up again until the final few minutes of the movie. That felt cheap. Surely Bruce needed to have some sort of long term reaction to the man who was arguably more of a father than his real father was. Some might say that after Rachel died it was business as usual and the plot keeps moving. But her death permeates throughout the rest of that movie. Everything Dent does stems from her. So, the climax stems from her. Same with Bruce's parents. Their absence is felt throughout all of Begins. Up to and including one of the last lines "I was wrong, you know. Your father would be proud of you." Now, you might say that Rachel/Bruce's parents deaths aren't the same as Alfred leaving, but from a structure point, they're very similar. Namely, all of them have their "final scene" and then disappear for the rest of the movie. The only difference is Alfred is gets to come back for the last 5 minutes. And to me that wasn't enough. I was always fine with Alfred leaving Bruce (in fact I think it's a great plot idea), but the impact of his departure was hardly felt. |
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I'm not sure where Alfred could have been mentioned after his departure.
I'd like to say the pit, but Bruce had enough to deal with down there. With Rehabbing his body and trying to escape. |
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"You know....you remind me of my butler..." - Bruce to the old man that helped him out.
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"I hated my butler!"
But seriously. The results of Alfred leaving was a very missed opportunity for some serious character development. |
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Now THAT would have been a twist
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I'm glad the shouting wasn't in the scene. I love Bruce's quiet response.
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If anything, the one line that is scripted as being delivered with fury is the line Bale delivered quietly. So what makes you think he didn't keep that same vibe going? If we ever see that footage (and there's about a 99.9% certainty it was shot), I guarantee you Bale was not yelling. |
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The exclamation mark and the fact that it is repeated. A bit presumptuous I suppose, but it's not a big deal.
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What I'm wondering is, had Nolan kept Bane's little origin scene at the end, would that have made up for his "abrupt" sendoff?
At first I thought it would, but Selina's quip at the end would still bug me. |
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I don't have an issue with the concept of Selina killing Bane - I was all for her recreating the Black Mask execution back in the day. Batpod cannons or not, it's cool to think this person who was in the shadows watching Bane deconstruct Batman in the sewers like a beast inflicted this upon him. It's a notch on her cat belt. Her quip got a good reaction in my showing. I like how Anne delivers it and uses her legs to get off the vehicle. I do think the scene could have done with something extra though, a shot of Bane laying on the ground or him being pulled out of the building. It is quite abrupt as is. |
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And yet, I still found it pretty easily inferred without knowing that line existed.
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And the idea of showing Bane's dead body being dragged out of the building would be a sight to behold. Since Bane was this militant tyrant, it would just scream Saddam Hussein when his dead body was dragged as well. |
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Totally agree. Those lines did not give us any information that couldn't be inferred from the acting and other lines. It was simply redundant information and I'm glad they cut it out.
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Why do people have something against Catwoman's line? It was actually very funny and in-character. I thought it was a great moment for her.
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It was, but at the expense of Bane.
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Id go with Bane. Scarecrow's was crap, I'll give you that, but you at least got to see Batman make up for it in TDK. I honestly didn't believe that Bane died from the shot- when the heroes were talking about what to do with the bomb, I was expecting Bane to show back up and give us a glorious final fight.
Even when Alfred was giving his speech about Wayne's death, I was still kinda shocked thinking, "Did Nolan really have Bane go out like that?" |
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