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Old 03-18-2013, 11:56 PM   #26
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Ummm...because Millar stated many times that "The Wolverine" was "our Iron Man, our kicking off point" and now we know that he had nothing to do with that film, and it's set off in be distant future as a stand alone. On top of that Millar was promoting his role in DOFP as an important step in building a cohesive universe and now we know from Singer that Millar has never spoken to him; and that Singer wants nothing to do with him. That's a pretty significant reason to doubt the viability of Millar's role as Fox's MCU "godfather". Especially since neither Mangold, Singer, nor Trank seem willing or able to perform the role.

I just don't see why anyone would be so optimistic about this working at this point? Seems like a clusterf**** to me!
Really? That's odd. Because there's this, just posted today at That Other Website That Can't Be Named:

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Fox Creative Consultant Mark Millar confirms that he has now spoken to X-Men: Days of Future Past director Bryan Singer and hints at a big announcement from the studio sometime over the course of the next few months. Hit the jump for more!


After inaccurate reports made it appear as if Mark Millar wasn't involved with X-Men: Days of Future Past (despite being appointed Fox's Creative Consultant on their upcoming Marvel movies), the comic book writer has now taken to his Millarworld Forums to set the record straight once and for all. In the following post, Millar confirms that he has finally spoken to director Bryan Singer about the movie and reveals that he will be taking on a far larger role in the Fox's upcoming comic book movie slate over the next few months. As for what the mysterious announcement is that he mentions, be sure to sound off with your thoughts and theories in the usual place!

What an immensely nice dude that guy is!
As a producer on Kick-Ass 2, I've not been in LA since Sept when Fox flew me out to sit with the insanely-clever writer Simon Kinberg and the Fox execs to chat X-men back when Matthew was still directing. But Kick-Ass 2 is pretty much done now and so my beady-eye can move back towards the Fox stuff again. There's a very exciting announcement you guys will hear about over the coming months (if not before), but the most immediate things the office is talking about are Days of Future Past and The Wolverine, both of which I'm absolutely aching to see. I saw the first 10 mins of Jim's Wolvie when I was out there last September. I'm out again next month and will have the pleasure of seeing a very near final cut too.

Days of Future-Past is potentially the biggest and most ambitious superhero movie ever made. I've seen this coming together in various stages, but now they're only weeks away from shooting it's really catching fire. I'll catch Bry in person before he heads to Montreal next month when I'm seeing Wolvie and we can chat a little more about the Fox grand plan. A very, very exciting time to be into this stuff, especially when you consider that the brilliant Josh Trank has Fantastic Four lined up for 2015. You don't know how lucky you are - when I was a kid Nicholas Hammond was playing Spidey on a visible wire!!

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^^^ And people keep saying FF won't get made and yet Fox's main guys keep reiterating that it will. So unless Fox has been lying to Millar on what they want him to do it looks like the FMCU is happening whether people like it or not and I for one kind of like it

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Really? That's odd. Because there's this, just posted today at That Other Website That Can't Be Named:

The report that singer hadn't (at that time) spoken to Millar wasn't inaccurate at all since it came from Singer's own mouth in a recent interview. Singer repeatedly shot down the idea that Millar was "consulting" with him on the X-films at all, stating that he had not met with the man and that he was in sole control of that mini universe. It began to be a bit of a controversy, so apparently someone at Fox gave one of them the other's phone number. They finally had their first chat -- just yesterday, as it turns out. Their tweets confirm this.


It seems clear that any input Millar is going to have on DOFP comes after the script and casting are done, so he can't have any real impact on it. The same is probably true of The Wolverine, which is in the can already. But at least Millar looks less like a poser now that he's actually spoken to Singer at last.

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The report that singer hadn't (at that time) spoken to Millar wasn't inaccurate at all since it came from Singer's own mouth in a recent interview. Singer repeatedly shot down the idea that Millar was "consulting" with him on the X-films at all, stating that he had not met with the man and that he was in sole control of that mini universe. It began to be a bit of a controversy, so apparently someone at Fox gave one of them the other's phone number. They finally had their first chat -- just yesterday, as it turns out. Their tweets confirm this.


It seems clear that any input Millar is going to have on DOFP comes after the script and casting are done, so he can't have any real impact on it. The same is probably true of The Wolverine, which is in the can already. But at least Millar looks less like a poser now that he's actually spoken to Singer at last.
DOFP hasn't started filming yet. The script is inevitably going to go through rewrites as the film evolves, and characters may still get added and dropped. And just because The Wolverine is in the can doesn't mean Millar might not have a say-so in the final edit and what gets left on the cutting room floor. That's the way movies work --- they're works in progress.

Yes, it remains to be seen just how much impact Millar will ultimately have on DOFP and even The Wolverine, but he *can* have "a real impact" on them.

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The report that singer hadn't (at that time) spoken to Millar wasn't inaccurate at all since it came from Singer's own mouth in a recent interview. Singer repeatedly shot down the idea that Millar was "consulting" with him on the X-films at all, stating that he had not met with the man and that he was in sole control of that mini universe. It began to be a bit of a controversy, so apparently someone at Fox gave one of them the other's phone number. They finally had their first chat -- just yesterday, as it turns out. Their tweets confirm this.


It seems clear that any input Millar is going to have on DOFP comes after the script and casting are done, so he can't have any real impact on it. The same is probably true of The Wolverine, which is in the can already. But at least Millar looks less like a poser now that he's actually spoken to Singer at last.
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It's certainly no coincedence that Millar "spoke to Singer" yesterday after all the borderline trash talk that's been going on from Singer. Some exec is trying to save face somewhere.

Will this work? Maybe. Hell, maybe it will be awesome...but considering what we've heard so far and Fox's abysmal track record with Marvel properties (they are 3 for 9 with making good films so far) I don't have a lot of faith just yet.

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^^^ And people keep saying FF won't get made and yet Fox's main guys keep reiterating that it will. So unless Fox has been lying to Millar on what they want him to do it looks like the FMCU is happening whether people like it or not and I for one kind of like it
The only "main guys" talking about it is Millar - both Singer and Trank have been silent regarding all things FF.

There is no doubt FOX is putting a lot of money into its X Men properties, but other than Millar's sales pitches we haven't heard anything substantial about Marvel's first family. And given the high potential cost, poor public perception, lack of merchandising and challenging release date, talk is all we might get.

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The only "main guys" talking about it is Millar - both Singer and Trank have been silent regarding all things FF.

There is no doubt FOX is putting a lot of money into its X Men properties, but other than Millar's sales pitches we haven't heard anything substantial about Marvel's first family. And given the high potential cost, poor public perception, lack of merchandising and challenging release date, talk is all we might get.
If they don't make the movie, they don't get to keep the FF rights, period. And yeah, we all know that's what you want to happen, so that Marvel Studios can get the rights; but it's not *going* to. Because, even worst case scenario, Fox will wait til the last minute and churn out something they know is a stinker, just to keep the rights for another umpteen years.

FF is getting made. Whether it's better than the crapfest that Tim Story churned out remains to be seen; but make no mistake: FF is getting made.

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If they don't make the movie, they don't get to keep the FF rights, period. And yeah, we all know that's what you want to happen, so that Marvel Studios can get the rights; but it's not *going* to. Because, even worst case scenario, Fox will wait til the last minute and churn out something they know is a stinker, just to keep the rights for another umpteen years.

FF is getting made. Whether it's better than the crapfest that Tim Story churned out remains to be seen; but make no mistake: FF is getting made.
Churning out a stinker is something FOX could have gotten away with in the pre Disney days, but would likely lead to very costly legal action at the present time.

I agree, the FF film is getting made. But when it gets made and who makes it - FOX, FOX/Disney or Disney - is very much in doubt.

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If they don't make the movie, they don't get to keep the FF rights, period. And yeah, we all know that's what you want to happen, so that Marvel Studios can get the rights; but it's not *going* to. Because, even worst case scenario, Fox will wait til the last minute and churn out something they know is a stinker, just to keep the rights for another umpteen years.

FF is getting made. Whether it's better than the crapfest that Tim Story churned out remains to be seen; but make no mistake: FF is getting made.
You're absolutely right. Fox would never let a Marvel property slip through their fingers at the last minute, even if they made two previous films based on the property that didn't do well critically or even financially.

I mean...that's why they still own the rights to Daredevil. Right? ...RIGHT?

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You're absolutely right. Fox would never let a Marvel property slip through their fingers at the last minute, even if they made two previous films based on the property that didn't do well critically or even financially.

I mean...that's why they still own the rights to Daredevil. Right? ...RIGHT?
They didn't let DD "slip through their fingers"; they gave him up to Marvel Studios in a calculated move to protect the FF franchise (specifically, Galactus and Silver Surfer). Thought you already knew that.

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They didn't let DD "slip through their fingers"; they gave him up to Marvel Studios in a calculated move to protect the FF franchise (specifically, Galactus and Silver Surfer). Thought you already knew that.
What are you talking about? Are you referring to that leaked "deal" that was proposed to allow Fox to keep Daredevil in exchange for cosmic characters to revert back to Marvel? That deal that never happened and that there is almost no evidence for ever occurring aside from an article that cites no specific sources?

How did Fox benefit by letting Daredevil return to Marvel? They already had the FF rights until 2015. There was nothing changing that. All they had to do was make a Daredevil move (even a ****** one) and they renewed their rights to Daredevil for another 6 or 7 years.

Please explain to me how letting a contract expire for a property you paid money to acquire and could own indefinitely by making a movie every 7 years is a "calculated move"...

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What are you talking about? Are you referring to that leaked "deal" that was proposed to allow Fox to keep Daredevil in exchange for cosmic characters to revert back to Marvel? That deal that never happened and that there is almost no evidence for ever occurring aside from an article that cites no specific sources?

How did Fox benefit by letting Daredevil return to Marvel? They already had the FF rights until 2015. There was nothing changing that. All they had to do was make a Daredevil move (even a ****** one) and they renewed their rights to Daredevil for another 6 or 7 years.

Please explain to me how letting a contract expire for a property you paid money to acquire and could own indefinitely by making a movie every 7 years is a "calculated move"...
Ah, yes....because Deadline reported it and you don't like what they had to say, there must be "no evidence." Sorry, but I'll take Deadline's word over the inner workings of Hollywood over yours, since that's their actual, you know, business.

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Some of this stuff with Millar makes him sound like some of the stories I have read about Stan Lee. He would do big speaking engagements about Marvel, essentially playing the role of "hype man," even though he hadn't been involved with the comics in years, and would have no idea what people were asking about. Like at one college, he was confused as to what Howard the Duck was.

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They didn't let DD "slip through their fingers"; they gave him up to Marvel Studios in a calculated move to protect the FF franchise (specifically, Galactus and Silver Surfer). Thought you already knew that.

Here's the thing, though: Letting the Daredevil rights lapse was not a "calculated move to protect the FF franchise" because the one was not directly related to the other. By all accounts, Fox had a director for DD and a script but was unwilling or unable to finance the film on its own. (The notorious Fox cheapness at work.) As Deadline related, Fox went begging to Marvel/Disney for financial backing and an extension of its rights and was denied. The studio strung the director along until the very last minute, then decided to allow its rights to lapse rather than make the film. All of that occurred independent of any deal for the rights to Galactus and the Surfer.


It was only when Fox was at the end of its rope with the DD rights that Marvel offered them a deal for an extension in exchange for use of Galactus & the Surfer. This was after seven years of foot-dragging and nonsense from Fox, which could still have started filming on the movie up until the rights lapsed. You can spin that as Fox grandly sacrificing DD for the FF rights if you like, but the plain fact is that they were going to lose DD anyway because of their own mistakes and stinginess. Marvel simply offered them an out, which they declined to take.

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Ah, yes....because Deadline reported it and you don't like what they had to say, there must be "no evidence." Sorry, but I'll take Deadline's word over the inner workings of Hollywood over yours, since that's their actual, you know, business.
lol wut?!

The only reason I'm claiming that there's no substantiating evidence in any of the articles that claim this deal was offered is because THERE WAS NO SUBSTANTIATING EVIDENCE THAT THIS DEAL WAS OFFERED!

The articles only ever state "sources". Now, sources could be Kevin Feige, or sources could be toilet paper in your bathroom. "Sources" means exactly diddly. How I feel about what was reported makes no difference. The fact is, the only sources actually named in regards to this supposed "deal" were the ones who were denying anything of the sort had taken place.


Also, interesting that you completely sidestepped trying to explain how losing the DD rights was a "calculated maneuver" that somehow helped them in regards to keeping the FF rights...

Still waiting on that, btw.

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lol wut?!

The only reason I'm claiming that there's no substantiating evidence in any of the articles that claim this deal was offered is because THERE WAS NO SUBSTANTIATING EVIDENCE THAT THIS DEAL WAS OFFERED!

The articles only ever state "sources". Now, sources could be Kevin Feige, or sources could be toilet paper in your bathroom. "Sources" means exactly diddly. How I feel about what was reported makes no difference. The fact is, the only sources actually named in regards to this supposed "deal" were the ones who were denying anything of the sort had taken place.


Also, interesting that you completely sidestepped trying to explain how losing the DD rights was a "calculated maneuver" that somehow helped them in regards to keeping the FF rights...

Still waiting on that, btw.
Sources are just that, sources. Many times they can't be named. So when reputable websites like Deadline say "sources" then there is usually good enough reason to trust them.

Clearly Fox cared more about FF than they did Daredevil. If they didn't then they probably would've given the rights back to Marvel when they asked for them. It's clear DD doesn't fit into their plan for their universe. Even if it wasn't a calculated maneuver it still told Marvel that they wanted to keep the rights to FF. Fox isn't going to let the rights to FF slip through their hands because FF fits into their plan.

And people keep saying how Millar is all talk because no one has spoken to him yet but Millar explained that in the interview yesterday. He's been busy with Kick-Ass 2. I'm sure this took up most of his time so he couldn't talk to everyone as much. I mean look at actors who are sent scripts for their movies and don't have time to read them until the day of shooting. It's clear now that he's done with KA2 he's going to be available for all of Fox's Marvel movies now.

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To add, remember that its in Fox's interest to hold onto the rights as long as possible, simply to retain them as bargaining chips with Marvel/Disney if nothing else. The best case scenario, from the Fox execs perspective, is likely "Disney breaks down and offers us a sizable check for the FF rights."

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Sources are just that, sources. Many times they can't be named. So when reputable websites like Deadline say "sources" then there is usually good enough reason to trust them.

Clearly Fox cared more about FF than they did Daredevil. If they didn't then they probably would've given the rights back to Marvel when they asked for them. It's clear DD doesn't fit into their plan for their universe. Even if it wasn't a calculated maneuver it still told Marvel that they wanted to keep the rights to FF. Fox isn't going to let the rights to FF slip through their hands because FF fits into their plan.

And people keep saying how Millar is all talk because no one has spoken to him yet but Millar explained that in the interview yesterday. He's been busy with Kick-Ass 2. I'm sure this took up most of his time so he couldn't talk to everyone as much. I mean look at actors who are sent scripts for their movies and don't have time to read them until the day of shooting. It's clear now that he's done with KA2 he's going to be available for all of Fox's Marvel movies now.

According to "sources," Marvel never asked Fox to "give them back the rights" to FF. The proposed deal was that Fox would allow Marvel to use only Galactus and the Silver Surfer in its films, not the FF. Marvel would not have even gotten the complete rights to the two characters back, only limited usage in films, similar to the deal Fox worked out with Sony for use of the Kingpin in Daredevil.

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According to "sources," Marvel never asked Fox to "give them back the rights" to FF. The proposed deal was that Fox would allow Marvel to use only Galactus and the Silver Surfer in its films, not the FF. Marvel would not have even gotten the complete rights to the two characters back, only limited usage in films, similar to the deal Fox worked out with Sony for use of the Kingpin in Daredevil.
Semantics, Marvel wanted something from Fox dealing with FF and Fox said no. Therefore, it's not hard to conclude FF and everything dealing with it are important to Fox

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Semantics, Marvel wanted something from Fox dealing with FF and Fox said no. Therefore, it's not hard to conclude FF and everything dealing with it are important to Fox
Or maybe Tom Rothman said no.. With that hack out of the way the possibilities of a true deal that works for both Fox and Marvel are imaginable.

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Or maybe Tom Rothman said no.. With that hack out of the way the possibilities of a true deal that works for both Fox and Marvel are imaginable.
I definitely can't argue that this would be a good idea. As far as we know Fox is trying to do things on their own. However, if they do strike a deal with Marvel I'll be the first one saying Yeah!

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One thing is for sure the hiring of Mark Millar was a brilliant idea

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Lol. Based on what? His "extreme" cannibal filled style of writing? His tired used car salesman promoting style? What the hell has he even done over at Fox yet? He's had the position for months and just the other day finally soar "hi" to one of the directors. Lol. Tell me what Im supposed to find "brilliant" about it so far?

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Let's not call it a brilliant move yet, since we don't know how much he really has and none of the movies under his "watch" haven't been released yet. He's not going to be the next Kevin Feige.

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Default Re: Fox's Shared Universe

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Originally Posted by Aztec View Post
Lol. Based on what? His "extreme" cannibal filled style of writing? His tired used car salesman promoting style? What the hell has he even done over at Fox yet? He's had the position for months and just the other day finally soar "hi" to one of the directors. Lol. Tell me what Im supposed to find "brilliant" about it so far?
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Let's not call it a brilliant move yet, since we don't know how much he really has and none of the movies under his "watch" haven't been released yet. He's not going to be the next Kevin Feige.
It was brilliant in the sense that Fox understands that to make great comic book films having someone who has experience working on both sides can be a key thing. Granted, we don't know his track record at Fox yet but I'm inclined to trust his judgement seeing as he has experience in bringing together multiple characters into one story. Plus his work on the adaptation of his book Kick-Ass makes me even more inclined.

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