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I find it funny that anyone as a comic fan is inevitably going to end up learning a bit about IP law.
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In any case, my understanding is that while merchandising profits for X-Men and FF movie merchandise (not yellow suited comic Wolverine) must be shared between Marvel and Fox, Disney/Marvel controls the process. That is, Disney can put as much (or as little) product in stores as they see fit. Back before the Disney purchase Marvel's major source of revenue was merchandising, and it would have seemed very unlikely for the company to close off a revenue stream from the sale of X-Men and FF related items. This changed with the Disney purchase and the success of Marvel studios. Disney/Marvel is wisely focusing on properties they own outright, such as Avengers, Spider-man (Disney paid $287 million to purchase Sony's share of the Spider-man Joint Venture), and coming soon, Guardians of the Galaxy. Disney/Marvel is not going to clear space on store shelves for FF and X-Men merchandise when a portion of the proceeds (maybe) going to FOX. This is, potentially, the best leverage Disney/Marvel has for gaining back film rights, or at least cutting a better deal with FOX. FOX is losing out on a major revenue stream and losing out on promotion for upcoming projects like DOFP and FF, and the projects are unlikely to have the worldwide visibility of the MCU films without it. Given the strong merchandising effort supporting the first two FF films, it gives me hope that an agreement will be reached between Disney and FOX to have the FF rebooted within the MCU. Last edited by Zarex; 03-19-2013 at 04:29 PM. |
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Edit: And to add, I think that there was a deal in place with Fox related with merchandising Marvel characters tie in with the movies but Marvel is in the drivers seat and Fox can never merchandise anything related to their Marvel movies without the full consent from Marvel Last edited by Dr Tactics; 03-06-2013 at 10:56 AM. |
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Then you add to this a release date just 56 days before the Avengers and the film is going to be buried in A2 hype. Only the most ardent fans are going to see two Marvel superhero team up films within two months, and a large number of those fans are upset the FF doesn't get to play with their pals in the MCU. You add to that toxic mix a very green, although talented director, and this has the makings of a disaster. Hopefully FOX realizes this soon and Disney/Marvel and FOX can reach a deal to reboot the FF in their rightful film universe. |
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wow, thanx, that's all an eye opener, for sure. interesting stuff.
I really thought that the whole thing was bluffing by Fox, or posturing like Dr Tactics said until Trank became definitely attached to it. everything about it sounded like a sham up til then. but recently, (i don't think it's been talked about in this thread, but didn't check too far back), didn't Fox supposedly send Vaughn over to produce this now? this would make sense, with Trank being green, as u say. But it seems like on some level, Fox is actually prepared to go thru with the movie, they wouldn't be tying up connections like Trank and, if true, Vaughn, with it otherwise, right? |
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You know Trank, I think, could be great for it. And i'm saying this becuz of the end of Chronicle especially...
Becuz we see Doom in past movies and in the comics even, tossing around energy bolts and ranting about this and that but it never really resonates I think, they way it did when that kid was tearing up the hospital downtown. That was heavy stuff, partly becuz we witnessed this kid's descent, but also just the craziness and horror of it no matter his backstory. It was truly the uncomfortable expression of what would happen if the human will was given power and allowed to be unleashed. And if we could get a Doom with even half that weight in a movie, I think that'd be a heavy thing. scary. cuz Doom's way worse than that kid, haha. Doom's hell bent and chosen to embrace his own inner monstrosity. But besides that, Chronicle was a story about these 3 particular kids and how they dealt with this meteor thing. It wasn't like a story about some everyman, it was very particular and made it obvious that it was. and that's another reason why I can see him being great for FF, becuz I think he would see them as 4 individual weird people that ended up kind of bound together by this accident. I guess I mean that he wouldn't just default any of them to some stereotypical role in a dysfunctional family. Which is the pitfall with a movie like the FF, is like too much sitcom, not enough real dynamic. Too much just doesn't add up about this movie tho, like it's been mentioned, how are they gonna spend enough money for a good Thing? Reed's pretty expensive I think also, to get right. And just a bunch of stuff doesn't seem like it's being revealed the same way other movies are, there's something weird about it. Definitely, and I'm starting to get attached to Trank being the director so it's not just that I'm trying to wish and hope it dies back to Marvel. |
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Well it would be best that Trank was directing this movie under the Marvel umbrella (MCU) instead of (exclusively) with Fox. A co-produced budget between Disney and Fox would insure that any vision Josh would have for this FF movie can be possible($250 or more budget within reach of being greelit in anticipation with a $750 or more return + shared merchandising revenue) and also then the FF can get it's own spot on the calendar in 2016 and be marketed properly instead of shoe horned against the Avengers,Ant-Man, Pirates and potentially JL, and SWVII in a 5 month period. So I do wish it to die if Fox won't come to their senses. Vaughn wouldn't be needed and Feige is a much better producer for Marvel movies IMO based on the track records. Last edited by Dr Tactics; 03-06-2013 at 12:32 PM. |
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I thought this was an interesting article to share..
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If there's one thing that should keep our hope alive in this thread, it's FOX's fumbling of the Daredevil property rights. Daredevil was in very much the same situation that the Fantastic Four are currently in, minus a tentative release date.
A director was attached. We would hear little rumblings about what they were planning for the film, and many of the ideas were met with a fair amount of excitement from fans. The deadline for making a movie to keep the rights was rapidly approaching. Fan-base support for Fox making another film in the franchise was divided, and many wanted to rights to revert back to Marvel. FOX's previous two attempts at putting their property to film were critically panned and not very financially successful. It was very much the same general climate. ...and what happened? Fox dropped the ball and the rights reverted. Don't give up hope.
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Directors can be let go and scripts can be tossed. Until we start hearing about locations, casting etc., we haven't passed the point of no return. There have been many times that I have been looking forward to a project like this and been disappointed that it got scrapped. But in this case I might be glad to find out it will take a few years more than I originally thought.
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Unfortunately, I'd probably agree with that statement.
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The interesting thing about this situation is that while the FF IP rights likely aren't worth very much to FOX, the rights to the First Family, Doom, Galactus, the Surfer and the Skrulls are of great value to Marvel as the company moves to Phase 3 and beyond. So whether or not FOX is actually planning on putting a couple of hundred million into a reboot, we're going to be treated by a stream of upbeat production updates from Millar until FOX is forced to fish or cut bait. To use Millar's own words regarding the JL film, the FF reboot looks like "an excellent way of losing $200 million".
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Yep. Fox is going to hold on as long as possible in the hopes of getting a check from Disney, or some equivalent consideration. The only question is if they are actually seriously trying to make a movie, only putting in enough effort to put something out to extend the license, or doing little other than bluffing.
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DD honestly could be made for 90- 100 million and a film that doesn't really scream summer blockbuster while F4 is the definition of summer blockbuster it has space,huge cgi,spectacle,scope,super powers,sci fi,etc. they obviously are more invested in F4 if they weren't they would of given up galactus and silver surfer for longer rights on DD like marvel purposed |
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To me, the big bargaining chip for Marvel is that although a well-made FF reboot will be quite costly, it's difficult to see how a reboot will outgross the $330,000,000 (per Box Office Mojo) earned by the first film back in 2005. With additional revenue streams from merchandise, video games and the like Disney/Marvel likely can justify this risk. I don't see FOX reaching this same conclusion. |
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There could still be a chance that the FF Reboot could actually turn out to be good. I'm just glad that Tom "Control Freak" Rothman is gone from Fox. Still I am curious as to this announcement that Mark Millar will be making as reported the other day. Maybe we could actually get a crossover between Fox and Disney/Marvel, but why Millar? Why would he speak out for Fox anyway? If he'd make such a statement we'd be expecting Feige to make a responding statement almost immediately. But it would help the MCU greatly with the likes of Galactus and the Silver Surfer taking part especially for the GotG film.
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But, I digress.. FF Reboot could be great but they'll still lose money if it's done outside the MCU. I also am curious as we all are on this announcement but I don't expect anything to excite me. I hope to be wrong but with Tom or not it is Fox after all and it's wishful thinking that they'll honor the comicbook genre with respect. (And don't bring up XM-FC. I'm not addressing the merits or lack of) |
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We got Josh Trank directing, Matthew Vaughn producing, Mark Millar overseeing it and a writer who seems appropriate for the material. I don't know how this movie could sound anymore exciting but all you guys care about is what greedy movie studio is behind it. Because as we all know Marvel Studios never screws up. Just ask these guys:
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We won't get FF/Inhumans, FF/Black Panther, Hulk Vs. Thing etc. etc. etc. until Marvel has the rights.
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"Because as we all know Marvel Studios never screws up. Just ask these guys" So....wut?
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() not to mention, Marvel also has a franchise there building. It's there films, they should have it their way. |
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