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Old 03-18-2013, 08:07 PM   #426
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Why should the country bow down to the law of any one religions being the law of the land. I always find it highly ironic that the fundies seem to be the ones who are most scared that we are somehow going to be governed by Sharia Law and they see that as a bad thing, yet they have absolutely no problem shoving their moral beliefs on people and trying to make it law who don't confirm with their values

I don't see how religions have to bow down to the gay community, it's not like people want to force all churches to marry 2 gay people against their will(personally I would take issue with this if the government forced a church to marry ANYBODY gay or not if a church doesn't seem fit to do it)
It is incredibly ironic.

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UPDATE: HILLARY CLINTON COMES OUT IN SUPPORT OF MARRIAGE EQUALITY
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:09 PM   #428
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Well obviously you need some legal boundaries, otherwise marriage becomes useless. What those boundaries are, is up to the people.

Even most liberals oppose bigamy.

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Poll Tracks Dramatic Rise In Support for Gay Marriage

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Sharp differences across groups remain, but there have been large advances across the board. In one striking gap, gay marriage is supported by a vast 81 percent of adults younger than 30, compared with just 44 percent of seniors.

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Well obviously you need some legal boundaries, otherwise marriage becomes useless. What those boundaries are, is up to the people.

Even most liberals oppose bigamy.
That's where the idea of marriage contracts comes in.

Those entering a marriage define what's allowed and not allowed. And it's used as the legal basis for rights, transfer of rights and property, and grounds for divorce.

At that point, the State has no say in the marriage, and need do nothing but keep a record of the contract on file (which would be part of the marriage license fee).

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Well obviously you need some legal boundaries, otherwise marriage becomes useless. What those boundaries are, is up to the people.

Even most liberals oppose bigamy.
Marriage is useless. Most useless thing ever invented.

All the red tape around it is mindblowing. If that's equality - hey, if you're gay you have a right to be miserable just like everyone else.

What we need is more laws and more red tape. Until we turn into Terry Gilliam's Brazil.

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Marriage is useless. Most useless thing ever invented.

All the red tape around it is mindblowing. If that's equality - hey, if you're gay you have a right to be miserable just like everyone else.

What we need is more laws and more red tape. Until we turn into Terry Gilliam's Brazil.
You remind me of Greg Giraldo, who actually said that gay marriage should be mandatory, because gays need to suffer like straight people.

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Very good Fox News Sunday show mostly on "Same Sex Marriage" debate.....

http://www.foxnews.com/search-result...&submit=Search

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Fox News Sunday is repeating right now....if some want to see another side of the Conservative group in politics. It's pretty interesting.....

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.... This is why you never bring FOX news links into this thread.... Lol its a hotwire trigger for crazy trolls lol ..... Jk

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Support for gay rights is dwindling amid violence in France:

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PARIS (AP) Paris police used tear gas and batons to fight crowds who pushed their way onto the landmark Champs-Elysees avenue and toward the presidential palace as part of a huge protest against a draft law allowing same-sex couples to marry and adopt children.

Hundreds of thousands of people conservative activists, schoolchildren with their parents, retirees, priests converged on the capital Sunday in a last-ditch bid to stop the bill, many bused in from the French provinces.

The violence took protesters and police by surprise, and suggested that the anti-gay marriage protests have become outlets for anger and disappointment in the presidency of Francois Hollande's presidency.

The lower house of France's parliament approved the "marriage for everyone" bill last month with a large majority, and it's facing a vote in the Senate next month. Both houses are dominated by Hollande's Socialist Party and its allies.

Sustained protests led by opposition conservatives in this traditionally Catholic country have eroded support for the draft law in recent months, and organizers hope Sunday's march will swing the Senate debate against it.

The first few hours of the protest were peaceful. But as it was meant to be winding down, about 100 youths tried to push past police barricades onto the Champs-Elysees, a tree-lined avenue that cuts through central Paris and draws throngs of tourists daily. In an indication of the sensitivity of the issue, protesters had been barred from marching on the Champs.

Police officers wrangled with the youths, some with shaven heads and others wearing hoods or masks, and fired tear gas to force them back. Gaining momentum, more and more protesters took side streets to reach the avenue, blocking a key intersection and some made it within 100 meters (yards) from the grounds of the president's Elysee Palace.

Police fired more tear gas, primarily at aggressive youths at the front of the crowd. Protesters of all ages were among those coughing and clutching their stinging eyes.

"Hollande, Resignation!" they chanted, before breaking into the French anthem, "La Marseillaise."

When Hollande took office in May, most voters supported the idea of gay marriage and few expected it to face much of a challenge. But disillusionment with the president's failure to stem rising unemployment or revive the economy a much bigger concern for the French have fueled resentment at the "marriage for everyone" bill.

An official with the Paris police headquarters said two people were arrested and no injuries were reported in Sunday's clashes. The police official was not authorized to be publicly named in accordance with police policy.

The official estimated that 300,000 people took part in Sunday's march, slightly less than a similar march in January. Organizers estimated some 1.4 million people took part in Sunday's march, more than in the January protest.

Polls indicate a shrinking majority of French voters back gay marriage, which is legal in about a dozen mostly European nations and some U.S. states. But polls show French voters are less enthusiastic about adoption by same-sex couples.

Frigide Barjot, the stage name of an activist who has led protests against the bill, insisted the anti-gay marriage movement wasn't a lost cause, declaring: "It's the second round, sir. It's not the last battle."
Do you think a similar shift could occur in other Western countries?

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.... This is why you never bring FOX news links into this thread.... Lol its a hotwire trigger for crazy trolls lol ..... Jk

What the hell was that......lmao.

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I don't think anyone would have ever imagined that Iowa would legalize gay marriage before France.

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Speaking of homophobia, I have a question for all the gay folk on here, do you think homophobia is actually "treatable"?

As someone who is somewhat homophobic, I do have to note that my attitude towards gays has changed significantly as a result of interacting more with gay people.

Or is it just degrees? Or is it dependent on the individual?

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http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/03/u...g-him-on-fire/

Someone please kill me. I cannot live on a planet where a judge claims that writing homophobic comments on a man's body, covering him in oil and lighting him on fire is "good natured horseplay" and gives a MURDERER 3 F***ING YEARS.

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"Boys will be boys" or some variation thereof has been the #1 go-to excuse for hate crimes against young gay men for generations.

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Good natured horseplay?

I can't even...

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That makes no sense. They obviously knew the liquid was flammable since they were all chanting "light it!". I mean, what did they think the end result would be to covering someone in a flammable substance and then igniting it? This is incomprehensible.

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What you and I view as a hate-crime-murder may be viewed by others as a Darwinian process of eliminating undesirables from society. The judge obviously subscribed to the latter view, as do many others, unfortunately.

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I guess there aren't many explanations other than outright prejudice. It's just such a bizarre ruling and twisted to refer to it as "good natured" horse play. This is like that one line from Robocop where that lawyer was arguing against his client being charged with attempted murder by saying "it's not like he killed anyone". When a real life trial would actually fit right in to a satirical movie like that, you know the world has problems.

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Plus, the bible is full of dubious morality, if that's where you get you're morals from, I pity you. God massacres thousands of innocents, but two dudes having sex, that's just wrong.
I have to agree with this, the more I read the bible the more I see groups that use it as a reason to hate people have a point. The god of the Old Testament was one mean Mofo at times.

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Chief Justice John Roberts lesbian cousin (who is planning on marrying her partner) will attend the Prop 8 hearing

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That's news?????? lmao....

The cousin of my best friend's niece's, nephew is gay and he will be attending the Prop 8 hearing.....LOL

Jeeeez, where did these people get their journalism degree....

but hey this was nice of her to say.....and I probably could agree with her. MANY REPUBLICANS are seeing how the tide is changing...

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“He is a smart man,” she said. “He is a good man. I believe he sees where the tide is going. I do trust him. I absolutely trust that he will go in a good direction.”

Gingrich said something that I found interesting, and I think this is the direction that the Supreme Court will take.....he said that the founding fathers after the "Articles of Confederation" went back to the 13 states and talked about how the validity of their decisions has to be upheld by the people, or it is not valid....and I have a feeling the Supreme Court may take that view as well. So it will be sent back to the states....

I tend to agree, and then I was hit with a reality.......would I have agreed had I been a woman in the early 1900's not able to vote......would I have wanted the decision to go back to the state and a vote of the people??????? I would have to probably say...."No"...because that would have taken to long in my view. So as much as I like State's Rights.....hmmmmmmm.....that is tough to look at when that could take at the least....a decade and probably more...

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That's news?????? lmao....
I think it's just saying that one of the judges MAY have a personal bias in could factor into his decision. I would consider that somewhat newsworthy

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I tend to agree, and then I was hit with a reality.......would I have agreed had I been a woman in the early 1900's not able to vote......would I have wanted the decision to go back to the state and a vote of the people??????? I would have to probably say...."No"...because that would have taken to long in my view. So as much as I like State's Rights.....hmmmmmmm.....that is tough to look at when that could take at the least....a decade and probably more...
Exactly. I wish more people would do what you just said you did. You essentially put yourselves in our shoes about an issue that'd be important to you in a similar situation. That's what more people in this world need to do

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