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Has anyone seen Tommy's contact lens commercial yet?
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Alright.
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I'm thinking they'll subvert our Smallville grown suspicions and instead use Tommy to show just how far gone his dad is. If any -cide is going to happen here, I'm figuring it won't be patricide. I think Barrowmen's a good enough actor to be a recurring arch-enemy for the rest of the show, and it would be fun to see "Lex" turn good and "Lionel" rejecting him for not being evil enough.
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I agree I think the Meryln we know from the comics is Barrowman and Tommy will be the thing that pushes either Merlyn on to Arrow or Arrow onto Merlyn
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Well maybe Tommy will know his dad is going to be the archer since they are getting closer in the next few episodes. According to i09, he gets a scene with a gun in the finale, which I suspect he could shoot Ollie or his dad, who knows. Keep on Speculating!
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I really think that, although it'll be a real journey and personal struggle getting to that point, Tommy is on the path to being a baddie. We've seen him being a genuinely good guy, but I feel that his behavior sometimes is a foreshadowing to what he may ultimately become later. Obviously he and Oliver will have a scuff or two over Laurel, that's been obvious from the start. (And let me remind how he freaked out over the double-date dinner between him/laurel and Oliver/Helena, and how he was so upset about Laurel being involved with the Hood, with his reasoning involving a fear that she is "infatuated" and "goes for the bad guys"... that will come into play later!) But there will be an even greater reason to be at odds with Oliver and it will come from Malcolm. All he needs is to feel alone, misunderstood, even betrayed by his best friend, and mix that with some kind of revenge factor involving his dad and you have the perfect storm. He already shows that he is upset about Oliver not being upfront and truthful about being the Hood, or even what happened on the island. He's also upset about the fact that Oliver suspected him of being involved with the vertigo stuff in last night's episode. Now that he's quit being GM of the nightclub, and has asked his father for a job, we are looking at the point where Tommy and Oliver might begin to start growing apart for good.
My main question is, will Tommy learn about the Queen's Gambit, the Undertaking, and all of the nefarious things that Malcolm has been up to for the past several years? My honest thought is that, if Tommy learned about the fact that his father had something to do with Robert's death, Oliver's absence for 5 years and Walter's disappearance, he won't side with Malcolm, and won't have adequate reason to become a villain. But if Malcolm doesn't reveal that, or if someone else doesn't, then the potential is there. Anyway, I'm really excited for what's to come. This last episode was fantastic. |
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A more tragic turn would be to have Tommy be completely unaware about the Undertaking until he's gone to far to go back. If Tommy will be the new bad guy, I'd hope his perception of Malcolm and Ollie's battle is that of an understandable blood feud that he feels he's being dragged into. So I'd rather he start out as just a rival until he starts killing enough innocent people he doesn't care about the Undertaking.
I prefer the Malcolm as Merlyn theory because it makes their family the opposite of the Queens; One father slays himself in a last redeeming act to drive his son to atone for their sons, and the other father slays his son in a final damning act trying to ultimately corrupt his family's legacy. It would also help define Malcolm as an irredeemably evil villain who nonetheless has a very disturbingly emotional storyline.
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I think Malcolm Is going to die and Tommy will take over for him.That It seems where they have been setting up.
I think the arrow writers are better with consentcy than Smallville writers were. |
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I think you are probably right (because his name is "Merlyn"). I just hope we're both wrong (because it doesn't seem in-character at all). Despite his bitterness and anger, so far Tommy's actions have all been above-board. He has not shown any indications that he'd willingly become a villain and kill innocent people, IMO - he's very upset with the murdering of criminals. He hasn't even shown low-grade ruthlessness. He doesn't threaten to reveal Oliver's secret to get things (indeed, despite his anger, he has protected said secret several times), he doesn't spin false stories to make Oliver or the Hood look bad to Laurel in order to secure her affections so she'll stay with him (instead he breaks up with her, because he believes she would choose Oliver/belongs with Oliver), and so on and so on. He really isn't even being selfish or self-serving.
Right now, the only way I'd buy Tommy being willing to kill innocent people as the result of the death of his father is some sort of mental-break, leaving him not entirely sane, as a result of his father's death. Because it would be completely inconsistent with his earlier behavior. They might be able to sell me Tommy being willing to target Ollie (and maybe Digg or Felicity, but no one else) at first and then gradually getting worse, if the played it right. Oliver's smartest move would be to tell Tommy the truth and have him listen to the recording before he makes any move at all against Malcolm.* If he kills Malcolm, or even confronts him, Tommy will find out about it, and Tommy knows his secret identity and where his secret lair is, so if he (very reasonably) thinks the worse and goes to the cops, Oliver is screwed. * I suppose if Oliver didn't act as the Hood, or leave a green arrow or anything else that led back him around, not telling Tommy would work, but I just can't see that happening. Last edited by Tzigone; 05-03-2013 at 06:15 AM. |
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I think Tommy is over the edge now......
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R.I.P. I'd say the writers took a lot of us by major surprise tonight.
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Indeed. Did not see that coming. At least, not this early in the show. In my opinion, the writers didn't quite maximise the character's potential and there were a lot of missed opportunities - especially during the first half of the season where he seemed to be either just there or not at all.
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Yeah, I'm really surprised at this. I felt like he was one person who could have had so much story.
Oh well, out with the old in with the new (ROY) |
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We really got to see his character transform from the beginning of the season and I felt really bad for Tommy in the end. Sure they could have used his character more but frankly we got the important stuff from his character so I don't know how much more they could have done. In the end you still were hoping Tommy would stay as a good guy and he did. |
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They had two options.
- Kill Malcolm and have Tommy take over as the Dark Archer - Have him die. He went out a hero, they made the right call. Asides from the last 3 episodes where they were understandably teasing him turning, he's been nothing but a good guy from the beginning. Now we have Tommy's death to keep Ollie/Laurel apart a little longer, and it fuels things even further with Malcolm, who will most likely start the season in jail if he really is alive. This was the right call, and so so sad. Tommy deserved to go out a good guy. |
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It's good they didn't follow the Spider-Man trilogy blueprint.
Is it possible though (and this is probably the wrong thread for it) that if the writers were prepared to kill off Tommy Merlyn, who is a major character in the comics, that they could also kill off Laurel or even not have her turn into Black Canary?
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It's sad to see Tommy go, but it's better than seeing him become a villain. He got to die a hero.
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As for not having her turn, I kinda expected Sarah to be the Black Canary, but the writers have mentioned a lot of times, and Katie Cassidy too, that she will be eventually. I think they will, I think killing Tommy was part of that Laurel to Black Canary story. |
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Here's a great interview that also covers why Tommy had to be the one to go:
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Q Is he really, 100 percent dead? No Lazarus Pits or "Buffy"-style misdirects where next season we'll open on a funeral and then he'll walk out completely fine?
A The only thing I will say is what I said to Colin Donnell after he filmed his last scene, and that was, “I’m really glad this show does flashbacks.” Very interesting. |
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