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Old 04-02-2013, 02:32 PM   #526
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At the end of Returns, the scene where Michelle has the mask off telling Bruce "The law doesn't apply to people like us" scene is just fantastic. I'll take that scene over anything Hathaway did in TDKR.
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Tom Hardy's claim to fame is the box office failure Star Trek Nememis.

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I really love Anne's performance in the "You should be as afraid of him as I am" scene with Blake. So subtle, so smooth... despite all the fear and emotion she has internally.

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I really love Anne's performance in the "You should be as afraid of him as I am" scene with Blake. So subtle.
The look she throws Blake when he says the Police can offer her protection. I loved that.

But as far as great subtle acting goes, her best has to be her watching Bane beat up Batman in the sewers.

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Yeah, that's why Nolan was already considering Hardy for the part while Inception was still in production and some analysts were predicting that it would flop.
If Inception did flop, Nolan would have suddenly re-considered his casting decision.

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I didn't even know that was Tom Hardy until recently. I don't think he was recognisable under all that makeup.

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The look she throws Blake when he says the Police can offer her protection. I loved that.

But as far as great subtle acting goes, it has to be her watching Bane beat up Batman in the sewers.
Mmm, agreed. That's why even though Pfeiffer got to soar with "louder" material, I think Anne really shined in the quieter moments.

There needs to be a gif of that eyeroll she throws at Blake, heh.


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If Inception did flop, Nolan would have suddenly re-considered his casting decision.
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If Inception did flop, Nolan would have suddenly re-considered his casting decision.
What is this baloney about Nolan only casting recognizable names? In 2005 Cillian Murphy was no household name or face. Neither was Aaron Eckhart in 2008.

Nolan casts the people he thinks are best for the role. Not because everyone will know who they are.

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I didn't even know that was Tom Hardy until recently. I don't think he was recognisable under all that makeup.
What, a shaved head?

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Not trying to criticize Anne, but Michelle was given more to work with and she just killed it.
This scene still gives me chills 20 years later...





It's acting like this that keeps Michelle at the top. Quality is quality.

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And you know this because you guys are buddies and he told you over a couple of beers?

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What is this baloney about Nolan only casting recognizable names? In 2005 Cillian Murphy was no household name or face. Neither was Aaron Eckhart in 2008.

Nolan casts the people he thinks are best for the role. Not because everyone will know who they are.
Nolan is ultimately bound to the studios, who finance his films. Cillian didn't have a very big role in Batman Begins. I don't know about Aaron Eckhardt, though.

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This scene still gives me chills 20 years later...





It's acting like this that keeps Michelle at the top. Quality is quality.


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And you know this because you guys are buddies and he told you over a couple of beers?
That's just how the system works.

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Nolan is ultimately bound to the studios, who finance his films. Cillian didn't have a very big role in Batman Begins. I don't know about Aaron Eckhardt, though.
You don't know about any of it lol. Do you sit in on Nolan's casting meetings or something? Every post you've made on this is baseless conjecture.

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You don't know about any of it lol. Do you sit in on Nolan's casting meetings or something? Every post you've made on this is baseless conjecture.
You're right, man. Nolan finances all of his films himself. The studios have no say in it. And it has nothing to do with box office returns.

Why do I even have to...

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WB let Burton cast Keaton as Batman when everything seemed to suggest that was a bad idea. They let Nolan cast Bale as Batman when he was by no means a household name at all and hadn't been in anything that successful prior.

The studio may have their ideas and wants when it comes to casting, but ultimately when they hire these very hands-on, outside-the-box guys like Burton and Nolan, they're going to be at the mercy of their creative choices. Those guys didn't sign up to be studio puppets. But that's part of the gamble.

OutRiddled, you really have no idea what you're talking about.

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WB let Burton cast Keaton as Batman when everything seemed to suggest that was a bad idea. They let Nolan cast Bale as Batman when he was by no means a household name at all and hadn't been in anything that successful prior.

The studio may have their ideas and wants when it comes to casting, but ultimately when they hire these very hands-on, outside-the-box guys like Burton and Nolan, they're going to be at the mercy of their creative choices. Those guys didn't sign up to be studio puppets. But that's part of the gamble.

OutRiddled, you really have no idea what you're talking about.
Amen to that. Especially the last sentence.

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You're right, man. Nolan finances all of his films himself. The studios have no say in it. And it has nothing to do with box office returns.

Why do I even have to...
Of course the studio has a say in it. Katie Holmes was most likely a studio decision. But you act as if Nolan has no say in the matter. I assure you, after he brought them in over a billion dollars with Dark Knight and then hundreds of millions more with Inception, Nolan had PLENTY of say. Probably to the point where he could have cast a near unknown as the main villain and WB would have been okay with it.

If Nolan really had no say, don't you think WB would have cast some guaranteed money-drawer like Vin Diesel in the role and insisted that we be able to see his face at all times?

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WB let Burton cast Keaton as Batman when everything seemed to suggest that was a bad idea. They let Nolan cast Bale as Batman when he was by no means a household name at all and hadn't been in anything that successful prior.

The studio may have their ideas and wants when it comes to casting, but ultimately when they hire these very hands-on, outside-the-box guys like Burton and Nolan, they're going to be at the mercy of their creative choices. Those guys didn't sign up to be studio puppets. But that's part of the gamble.

OutRiddled, you really have no idea what you're talking about.
Michael Keaton was a controversial choice. Not Bale, though. Every fanboy was hyping up Bale before he was even cast. I remember it well.

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Of course the studio has a say in it. Katie Holmes was most likely a studio decision. But you act as if Nolan has no say in the matter. I assure you, after he brought them in over a billion dollars with Dark Knight and then hundreds of millions more with Inception, Nolan had PLENTY of say. Probably to the point where he could have cast a near unknown as the main villain and WB would have been okay with it.

If Nolan really had no say, don't you think WB would have cast some guaranteed money-drawer like Vin Diesel in the role and insisted that we be able to see his face at all times?
You don't cast an unknown as the lead in a 100 million + movie.

Vin Diesel? Wtf. Maybe in those ****** Fast & Furious movies.

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Yeah, Bale was hardly a controversial choice.

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I remember the years of pre-BB speculation with fondness. Batman had to be Christian Bale, The Joker had to be Crispin Glover, and Catwoman was naturally to be Angelina Jolie. David Fincher to direct.

We can all go to the 'future Batman movies' and play this game again.

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Michael Keaton was a controversial choice. Not Bale, though. Every fanboy was hyping up Bale before he was even cast. I remember it well.
Keep shifting your argument. I thought it was all about how big their last hit at the box office was? Bale had a little cult following but he was not a huge star who had been in any big blockbuster hits. If fanboy hype mattered, than Crispin Glover would've been The Joker and Angelina Jolie would've been Catwoman.

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It's acting like this that keeps Michelle at the top. Quality is quality.
Yep, I agree. When I was a kid, it was so dark, depressing and scary, but it made an impact. Now I just see how good she was in the movie.

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Michelle was aswesome playing the part but Anne looked awesome

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Anne, and it's not even close.

What did Pfeiffer do to earn any sort of acclaim for her casting? Grease 2?

Anne brought an air of class and sophistication to her role, slipping into multiple aspects of her personality subtly with textured perfection. Nothing about MP showed anywhere close to this level of control and effective execution, she was literally no better written or performed than Halle Berry!

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she was literally no better written or performed than Halle Berry!
Okay, I know this is just your opinion. But it's wrong

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