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I remember Burton said he thinks Batman '89 is boring. He's more into Batman Returns.
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Yeah, he did.
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Of course he said that... his fingerprints are all over Returns.
I love both movies, but it's obvious he and Keaton had alot more fun (although less stimulating for Keaton) making the second one.
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Yeah, I read an interview with Keaton somewhere where he said he didn't find Returns as satisfying.
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Batman '89 still holds up, in my opinion. I absolutely love that movie. Returns didn't age quite as well (though it's worth watching for Michelle's performance as Catwoman alone).
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Batman '89 is a brilliant film. It has been so ripped off that its original qualities are sometimes missed by first time viewers, but a lot of the atmosphere that people instinctively associate with Batman was crystallized in that movie. The Art Deco/Gothic design was really striking, the score was seminal, and Keaton's Batman is much more convincing than Bale's broody cipher, really.
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Just a random thought on Returns. The carnage in Gotham Plaza during the first lighting of the tree is hilarious and horrifying at the same time.
Something about it just screams Gotham City. This is Gotham on a bad day. It's a crazy place where crazy things happen. A place where clowns are never funny, weird creatures live in the sewers, and disturbed people run around at night dressed as animals. That's Gotham, folks. Crazy... but somehow familiar in a strange way. I can easily picture Joker laughing his ass off at the whole Plaza scene. This is his kind of party. I think Ledger!Joker in particular would get on splendidly with Penguin and the RTCG. Talk about a match made in hell... |
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89 was inventive, changed things forever. But I'm not gonna pretend it isn't a bit of a snore at times too. I'm with Tim. The vision was there, but the energy was often lacking.
I would also agree that Returns hasn't aged well. But I'd only really say so regarding the humor, which is a bit too cartoonish. But that's Tim for you, he takes dark things and makes them seem light at times, so it doesn't bother me when I view it as a Burton movie over a strict Batman adaptation. Other than my having a low tolerance for cartoony humor in Batman, it's great. There are more elements in that movie that stick with me or I find interesting to stew on than in 89. Might just be the romantic in me that has a preference toward Selina above all the other characters in the Burtonverse.
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I prefer '89 overall, but Returns has much better production values (bigger budget helped obviously). The visual aspect of Returns is a lot better on Blu-ray than '89.
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I grew up with Returns more than 89 (which I barely remember at the time) so naturally I'd put Returns over 89... but ever since I bought the Anthology bluray set a few years back, I started to watch 89 more times than Returns. (Still prefer Returns to this day though)
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The BR Blu-ray transfer is impeccable looks as good as a brand new movie.
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All of the Batman movies (From 1966 to Batman & Robin) look incredible on bluray. They really worked on making it look brand new.
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B66 looks great. B89 looks average. BR looks great. BF looks average. B&R looks average. BB looks average. TDK looks average. TDKR looks great. |
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I wouldn't want Batman 89 to look too pristine anyway... I'm happy with the transfer it got.
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I think the transfers on the Burton/Schumacher movies blurays are decent but best are Returns and Batman & Robin so cripsed transformation to a bluray.
Nolan ones are Begins and TDKR. |
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ummm WHAT? Returns has aged faaaar better then B89. I love both films to death but Returns isnt as special effects heavy as the first film was. its more about the story and characters, and the only real special effects are done very well and still look convincing today. in B89 you had cool but somewhat dated stuff like the batwing swooping down and sadly you can see its invisible and was superimposed from far away. and the cartoon joker falling down, and cartoon Batman in the beginning. Returns has faired much better, even down to the shielding. the timeless noir quality is tuned up a lot more for Returns then B89 which had a lot of late 80's styles. also to mention, the bats in Returns look way more convincing and real then the so obviously CGI bats in begins. |
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I don't really care how polished a visual effect is. By that yardstick, the most recent movie will always be the best. I think artistry and design count for much more.
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In Batman '89, sometimes you can tell they are obvious model shots. Not that I mind that so much, because I'll still take models and practical effects work over CGI anyday. |
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Batman Returns looks like it was shot in my garage.
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Then you have one hell of a garage...
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Neal Adams' Batman brought to life^
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I don't mean to be a jerk when I say this, but thanks for that comic spoiler in your sig. Now I won't be surprised whenever I decide to read that story in TPB. Just saying.
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