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Old 04-15-2013, 02:34 PM   #476
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I dunno....maybe that's the angle they're shooting for. Kind of a "Nomad"-era Cap who's disillusioned with modern America and trying to find out what it --- and he --- stands for these days. That would make more sense if this new look is a vigilante/solo act Cap; not so much for a SHIELD-issue, or US military-issue. Personally, I hope he *does* go the Nomad route, and not work for the US/WSC government in *any* capacity yet.

My only question/concern about ditching the Avengers suit is how that could be a disservice to Coulson. As far as we know, Coulson hasn't "returned from the dead" yet and is still presumed a fallen comrade; so I just don't want it to seem that Cap is idly throwing away a suit that (fan b****ing be damned) is a fitting memorial to Coulson's sacrifice.
He already is on SHIELD payroll taking SHIELD missions from SHIELD command in Avengers. Even if he hadn't been, why do you personally hope he doesn't?

From my point of view, figuring out what he stands for is a mite different from seeing a SHIELD mission to save lives and saying 'nah, I'm not sure what you guys stand for anymore.' Especially as he doesn't have any contacts to go on any other missions, and SHIELD will be dealing with any world class threats anyway. And since this is a political conspiracy thriller, it's not like taking a SHIELD mission will probably put him on his own anyway.

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Old 04-15-2013, 05:25 PM   #477
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He didn't seem too happy with Fury by the end of Avengers. I wonder if they will have worked out their differences by the time this movie stars.

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That's true. I doubt they'll have worked out their differences, but unless Steve is going to be working at the waffle shack... or re-enlisting... he's SHIELD. Now if that relationship gets better or worse during TWS is anyone's call.

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Old 04-15-2013, 07:26 PM   #479
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He already is on SHIELD payroll taking SHIELD missions from SHIELD command in Avengers. Even if he hadn't been, why do you personally hope he doesn't?
I don't see any evidence that he *is* on the SHIELD payroll. The Avengers "man out of time" scenes show an ordinary guy living a lonely, ordinary life. There's no hint of him wearing a SHIELD uniform or acting like an agent. When Fury catches up to him again in a local gym, Steve asks him if he's brought him a mission, yeah, but he says it with bitter sarcasm, and the inflection I get from that is that he's getting ready to tell Fury precisely where he can stick his mission....until he finds out what it's all about.

Fury actively recruited Rogers for *the Avengers,* not SHIELD. Very important distinction there, since the Avengers operate independently of SHIELD.

To me, it just doesn't make sense that SHIELD would even want Rogers. There's a huge difference between being a soldier and being a spy. Rogers has considerable skill in the former; very little in the latter.

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I don't see any evidence that he *is* on the SHIELD payroll. The Avengers "man out of time" scenes show an ordinary guy living a lonely, ordinary life. There's no hint of him wearing a SHIELD uniform or acting like an agent. When Fury catches up to him again in a local gym, Steve asks him if he's brought him a mission, yeah, but he says it with bitter sarcasm, and the inflection I get from that is that he's getting ready to tell Fury precisely where he can stick his mission....until he finds out what it's all about.

Fury actively recruited Rogers for *the Avengers,* not SHIELD. Very important distinction there, since the Avengers operate independently of SHIELD.

To me, it just doesn't make sense that SHIELD would even want Rogers. There's a huge difference between being a soldier and being a spy. Rogers has considerable skill in the former; very little in the latter.
that's what I thought, I just personally think that until we know hes employed by shield, he should be the star spangled man.

but it makes sense. Like drcosmic said, its not like in the MCU being a superhero is a job. Captain America was an image, propaganda, if you will, given to a super soldier, a ranking captain during wwII in the US military. So if he is going to be "something" it does make sense to have "captain america" be a shield agent. it does make sense.

So I have now moved into the middle, I am fine with either, I yield

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do you think he get's 90 years worth of backed-up pension?

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Old 04-16-2013, 07:39 AM   #482
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do you think he get's 90 years worth of backed-up pension?
Doubt it. None of his "downtime" could even remotely be considered "active duty." The army's not gonna pay you for sitting in a block of ice for 70 years.

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do you think he get's 90 years worth of backed-up pension?
oops I read "back up pension" over 90 years, as backed up tension for 90 years.. if you know what I mean haha.

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I feel sorry for the first girl Steve-sy sleeps with
it'll be like that scene out of the first Scary Movie

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he'll end up being skinny steve again hahahaha

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LOL .... discussing Steve's pension? Oh you guys.

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I love the Avengers costume and I hope it's still used in the film as it looks fantastic in promotional material.


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I don't see any evidence that he *is* on the SHIELD payroll. The Avengers "man out of time" scenes show an ordinary guy living a lonely, ordinary life. There's no hint of him wearing a SHIELD uniform or acting like an agent. When Fury catches up to him again in a local gym, Steve asks him if he's brought him a mission, yeah, but he says it with bitter sarcasm, and the inflection I get from that is that he's getting ready to tell Fury precisely where he can stick his mission....until he finds out what it's all about.

Fury actively recruited Rogers for *the Avengers,* not SHIELD. Very important distinction there, since the Avengers operate independently of SHIELD.

To me, it just doesn't make sense that SHIELD would even want Rogers. There's a huge difference between being a soldier and being a spy. Rogers has considerable skill in the former; very little in the latter.
The Avengers who, until the third act, worked under SHIELD orders out of SHIELD headquarters directed by the SHIELD director? The same SHIELD which had explicitly aborted the Avenger Initiative? No, they were not operating independent from SHIELD when Fury recruited Rogers by giving him some SHIELD files.

You make a good point, that Steve was not an active SHIELD agent at the beginning of the film, however, him not having employment, and having carte blanche to go out and see the world when and if he wanted to suggests someone is financially supporting him. Could it be the people who A) fished him out of the water B) know exactly where to find find him C) have casual non-invasive access to his apartment? D) Have regular contact with him? E) Have more than enough funds and motivation to do so? That's certainly the implication. He was on SHIELD payroll.

Hawkeye is also a soldier, and SHIELD makes plenty use of him. Remember all those guys in black with assault rifles that SHIELD makes frequent use of? Cap is worth 50 of those guys, easy. The SHIELD we've seen have plenty reason to use him, and that's just his physical abilities. If the enemy has something to do with WWII (ala The Winter Soldier) then getting Rogers on board is priority 1 ASAP. he's the only viable operative with WWII experience on the planet. It makes plenty sense, if you look at MCU SHIELD and what they do.

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It's hard to argue with the fact that he is at least working with SHIELD. While he might not be on the 'payroll' if we're going to get into semantics, it's obvious to see that Nick Fury and SHIELD are his biggest connections to the modern day world. So much so that they're being featured heavily in his next movie.

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The Avengers who, until the third act, worked under SHIELD orders out of SHIELD headquarters directed by the SHIELD director? The same SHIELD which had explicitly aborted the Avenger Initiative? No, they were not operating independent from SHIELD when Fury recruited Rogers by giving him some SHIELD files.

You make a good point, that Steve was not an active SHIELD agent at the beginning of the film, however, him not having employment, and having carte blanche to go out and see the world when and if he wanted to suggests someone is financially supporting him. Could it be the people who A) fished him out of the water B) know exactly where to find find him C) have casual non-invasive access to his apartment? D) Have regular contact with him? E) Have more than enough funds and motivation to do so? That's certainly the implication. He was on SHIELD payroll.

Hawkeye is also a soldier, and SHIELD makes plenty use of him. Remember all those guys in black with assault rifles that SHIELD makes frequent use of? Cap is worth 50 of those guys, easy. The SHIELD we've seen have plenty reason to use him, and that's just his physical abilities. If the enemy has something to do with WWII (ala The Winter Soldier) then getting Rogers on board is priority 1 ASAP. he's the only viable operative with WWII experience on the planet. It makes plenty sense, if you look at MCU SHIELD and what they do.
The FBI regularly works with agents of other law enforcement jurisdictions all the time. Hell, even international ones. They give them resources, funds, access to information, manpower, whatever's needed. That *doesn't* make those cops or agents FBI members. They do the same with civilian "contractors" as well, without putting them "on the payroll" or making them official members of the FBI.

Steve --- as well as Tony and Banner --- are most likely in that same situation. In an "advisory" role, SHIELD gives them all the info, resources, manpower and tools they need to get the job done. That does *not* make them SHIELD agents. And Thor....? I think that goes without saying.

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Steve can't be in that situation because he's not coming from some other entity and he isn't a civilian. His occupation and livelihood is being a SHIELD asset. He wasn't getting paid for doing the Avengers thing, he was getting paid period. I do take your point, that it doesn't make him a "SHIELD Agent," necessarily, as it's implied he's not active, but when becomes active, he's not being 'brought in' from something else, he's a SHIELD person acting as an agent of SHIELD. If Steve is being contracted then SHIELD is contracting Steve from itself. Or, at worst, the defunct SSR, which is also SHIELD.

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Just to note, Cap's costume was pretty badly destroyed by the end of Avengers. Its hardly unreasonable that they'd take that field data in mind when making him a new outfit, rather than simply pulling one of a dozen absolutely identical copies out of the closet.

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Exactly. Using the same costume isn't really an option.

And it's not like Cap can't become the paragon and meta-American that he is in 616, but like Iron Man's Armory and fly-on armor, it's a mite cooler and more rewarding for everyone if those things are earned from the audience over time.

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I wouldn't mind seeing the Marvel Now outfit.

I don't want to see the USAgent outfit, unless it's on John Walker.

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I wouldn't mind seeing the Marvel Now outfit.

I don't want to see the USAgent outfit, unless it's on John Walker.
This new look is the "Agent Rogers" outfit, from the so-called "Heroic Age." USAgent costume was mostly black.

But I am *not* a fan at all of this Agent Rogers look they're going with this time. Not a dealbreaker for me, by any means, but I hate like hell they threw away the red, white, and blue.

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I think that the new Commander Rogers-style outfit looks perfect, though I doubt that it will be the only one that Steve wears in TWS.




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Yeah I like it. Glad they decided to use it in this. This entire film is an homage and love letter to Brubaker's run, so it's fitting.

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Okay, the combat helmet looks less goofy as it did when combined with the Super-Soldier costume from that leaked promo art. I'd love to see more of it in action.

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why on earth didn't we get that as the final product?

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why on earth didn't we get that as the final product?

smh..
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the cowl (as seen in concept art and on the helicarrier in the film) switched for a helmet once filming had already started - probably because it restricted Chris' movement too much? I seem to remember reading something about that...

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