The IRON MAN 3 News & Speculation Thread - - - - Part 13

[DarthDaveBanner]

Bucky was Cap's sled.

[SpideyFan866]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

what if

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the mandarin is playing Killian by "being a pawn of his"?

I mean, based on what fiege said about multiple viewings,

and this person who saw it on imbd said this

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Actually, that is partly it. The ending or "twist" is much more innovative, as another poster had used, than that.

Killian is not as powerful as he seems or thinks he is. Again, I cannot hint this enough. The Mandarin is smart and a Collector, LOVES to collect.

If this is true, than this means that my theory that

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Killian is just as much as pawn of The Mandarin as he thinks The Mandarin is a pawn of his, if not moreso.

[protocida]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

what if

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the mandarin is playing Killian by "being a pawn of his"?

I mean, based on what fiege said about multiple viewings,

and this person who saw it on imbd said this

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Actually, that is partly it. The ending or "twist" is much more innovative, as another poster had used, than that.

Killian is not as powerful as he seems or thinks he is. Again, I cannot hint this enough. The Mandarin is smart and a Collector, LOVES to collect.

The stuff I know comes from a pretty reliable source, and it didn't mention this at all. We'll see.

[DarthSkywalker]

jaqua99 if that was true, I'd be fine, but that isn't what protocida is saying.

[Raiden]

I don't want to read what the twist is so I'm gonna have to be careful in this forum, otherwise I may take a leave of absence until I see the movie on May 3rd.

[jaqua99]

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the guy in there said exactly what protocida said, regarding the twist....but then he simply said that it's not exactly how it seems, and Killian isn't in as control as it may seem

could have to do with the..multiple viewings thing...humor me here..

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what if the idea was to have mandarin somehow be IN control all along? And the idea was to make it be revealed that Killian is control...when in reality Mandarin IS still in control and is using Killian..they could want the audience to think Killian was in control..and there are hints at it through out the movie that he's not, and audiences will be surprised if maybe the mandarin shows up again somewhere

I mean, it could play into the whole..you have to see it a few times thing.

If he said that, then he must clearly think that there are things audiences won't pick up on when they see it first..which means there could be more to it than what meets the eye :P transformers reference

[cherokeesam]

Regarding the Big Twist Spoiler Rumor going around:

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The people who keep harping on it here and on IMDB and wherever else keep saying "he's a COLLECTOR"....with an implicit "wink wink nudge nudge."

Sounds to me like a very unsubtle way of suggesting that Mandarin/Killian is, in fact, THE Collector.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collector_(comics)

[ThePhantasm]

I seem to remember Shane Black saying that they weren't going to use Mandarin. But there was a huge fan outcry demanding Mandarin across the internet. So they found a way to wedge a sortof Mandarin into the actual story that they wanted to do, just to please the fans. Turns out this Mandarin doesn't have much of a resemblance to the comics character. He's a facade.

Does that pretty much sum up how this happened?

Remember at Long Beach Comic-Con in 2011 Black didn't seem enthusiastic at all about the idea of using Mandarin as a villain. He shot it down pretty fast as a "racist caricature."

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

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the guy in there said exactly what protocida said, regarding the twist....but then he simply said that it's not exactly how it seems, and Killian isn't in as control as it may seem

could have to do with the..multiple viewings thing...humor me here..

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what if the idea was to have mandarin somehow be IN control all along? And the idea was to make it be revealed that Killian is control...when in reality Mandarin IS still in control and is using Killian..and there are hints at it through out the movie

I mean, it could play into the whole..you have to see it a few times thing.

If he said that, then he must clearly think that there are things audiences won't pick up on when they see it first..which means there could be more to it than what meets the eye :P transformers reference

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But how does that change Killian being the actual Mandarin? There is a big difference between Killian being in control and him being the Mandarin. Or am I miss reading this?

[T"Challa]

Well, this place turned into debbie downerville fast

[protocida]

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Killian calls himself "The Mandarin". Probably during his "It was me all along" monologue. It might be more tongue-in-cheek.

I don't see much evidence The Mandarin is due for more than this.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by protocida

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Killian calls himself "The Mandarin". Probably during his "It was me all along" monologue. It might be more tongue-in-cheek.

I don't see much evidence The Mandarin is due for more than this.

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So wait, Kingsley is still the Mandarin, he is just lame? Or is Killian actually the Mandarin?

Does anyone remember those early trailer reports, that were extremely accurate, saying that the Mandarin had armor. Whatever happened to that?

[SpideyFan866]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Regarding the Big Twist Spoiler Rumor going around:

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The people who keep harping on it here and on IMDB and wherever else keep saying "he's a COLLECTOR"....with an implicit "wink wink nudge nudge."

Sounds to me like a very unsubtle way of suggesting that Mandarin/Killian is, in fact, THE Collector.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collector_(comics)

Yeah.... I very much doubt that.

[ThePhantasm]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

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So wait, Kingsley is still the Mandarin, he is just lame? Or is Killian actually the Mandarin?

I'm so confused.

I wish someone would just spell it out clearly.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by ThePhantasm

I'm so confused.

I wish someone would just spell it out clearly.

This gives me hope. Perhaps these people just don't understand what is going on.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

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But how does that change Killian being the actual Mandarin? There is a big difference between Killian being in control and him being the Mandarin. Or am I miss reading this?

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I am saying what if ben kingsly IS THE Mandarin. and he is playing Killian hard. Killian THINKS he's playing the mandarin, when in reality, he is being like, double played by kingsly..there's got to be something to the whole..multiple viewings thing. I am saying what if the idea is to have Killian literally be a pawn of the mandarin, the guy mandarin uses to put the blame on. What if the mandarin (kingsly) is literally like, putting on a show (as he seems to be doing), and he really is playing Killian, giving him a false self image of power? I am just trying to tie the whole, multiple viewings thing. like, what if mandarin can control all things extremis, with his rings..Killian takes extremis..mandarin controls him, as protocida says "I am the mandarin"??

if the idea is to use mandarin in the masters of evil at some point, how..smart would it be to reveal later on that he actually was in control the whole time, especially when the audience thought it was Killian. Maybe there will be hints of Killian actually being used through out the movie.

who knows, just wishful thinking, I would hate to see him done like that

Originally Posted by protocida

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Killian calls himself "The Mandarin". Probably during his "It was me all along" monologue. It might be more tongue-in-cheek.

I don't see much evidence The Mandarin is due for more than this.

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what if Killian is mind controlled by Mandarin :P :P :P :P

I kid

just wishful thinking, I just hate to see it like that

[ThePowerCosmic]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

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So wait, Kingsley is still the Mandarin, he is just lame? Or is Killian actually the Mandarin?

It's sad that the film leaves only those two possibilities open.

[marvel_freshman]

B-roll footage, should be more coming
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xz3...0#.UW9E-bWR-5I

[protocida]

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I believe the "twist" people are mentioning about The Mandarin is that he portrays himself as a madman, a true fanatic terrorist, when he actually isn't. He's playing a role, giving people something to hate.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by protocida

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I believe the "twist" people are mentioning about The Mandarin is that he portrays himself as a madman, a true fanatic terrorist, when he actually isn't. He's playing a role, giving people something to hate.

That isn't a twist. And if that qualifies as a twist, a lot of people need to watch more film/television and read more.

[Crimson King]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Regarding the Big Twist Spoiler Rumor going around:

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The people who keep harping on it here and on IMDB and wherever else keep saying "he's a COLLECTOR"....with an implicit "wink wink nudge nudge."

Sounds to me like a very unsubtle way of suggesting that Mandarin/Killian is, in fact, THE Collector.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collector_(comics)

All this Collector talk has me thinking Mass Effect 2. I hope he's not that kind of Collector.

[terry78]

Before the MoS trailer weren't we all gushing over this flick? Jesus, you people.

[protocida]

^ What was the point of this?

[mkilban2]

Having the characters being portrayed differently than their comic counterparts doesn't bother me. I know a lot of people hate the "in name only" type route since you've all been reading the comics forever and love them. But to me as a non-comic reader, as long as the characters on film work well and mesh well within the context of the film or the Phase they are in then as a movie goer I am happy. And it seems like this movie is doing that perfectly, from the reviews posted the "twist" or whatever is being praised and only will upset those who expect the INO characters to be comic equals, which I never expect and actually like when they don't keep them equals but expand or change them to enhance the movie world.

[BigThor]

The MOS trailer wasn't all that, especially the bad CGI whenever Supes did anything super human.