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Old 04-27-2013, 12:30 AM   #826
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I still say it was a LMD. We only saw him do the retinal scan to get into the high security vault, we didn't see what exactly was taken out of it.

It could have just been the gun or it could have been the gun AND the LMD especially since he seems alive and well in that last helicarrier scene.

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Old 04-27-2013, 12:32 AM   #827
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Sounds like the core of this show will be the agents and what they experience in each episode, but the appeal of the show will be the world that these agents occupy. You won't have one without the other, which is exactly what I wanted and expected.
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I still say it was a LMD. We only saw him do the retinal scan to get into the high security vault, we didn't see what exactly was taken out of it.

It could have just been the gun or it could have been the gun AND the LMD especially since he seems alive and well in that last helicarrier scene.

Coulson was not alive and well on the Helicarrier bridge in the last scene. That was a different black-suited SHIELD agent walking through. There are stills of him floating about that show clearly that he was played by a different actor. Also, if that had been Coulson, Agent Hill would have at least done a double-take when he passed her since she thought he was dead.

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I'm not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure holding your breath doesn't stop your heart from beating.

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I'm not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure holding your breath doesn't stop your heart from beating.
No, it doesn't. Like I said earlier, an EMT with a stethoscope or (an EKG machine) would have caught it. They would at least have tried to take Coulson's blood pressure, and even with the massive blood loss he would have had one if his heart was still beating.

This would be harder to swallow than an LMD or zombification, if holding his breath is the explanation Whedon used. That's why I don't buy the spoiler. It's just too amateurish.

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Maybe it's... just a huge oversimplification. Maybe Fury just ordered the EMT's into silence and had Coulson transported out in a hurry, where they were then able to start patching him up. Or it's the in-universe explanation everyone is given but as the show progresses we start getting hints that something more was going on. Or something.

But I just can't buy "holds his breath and remains perfectly still despite a sucking chest wound" and I don't think Whedon would write something like that and be satisfied with it either.

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Even in non-sci-fi series, people come up with better explanations for how people appear to be dead (eg neurotoxins, people being trained to lower their heart rate/ given drugs to do that, actually allowing someone to die for a few minutes and then reviving them etc). It's been done hundreds of times.

Holding your breath and lying still is like something a teenager thought up. At least copy one of these other methods.

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So according to Whedon, ABC hasn't picked up this series yet? I wonder why they haven't committed to this new series yet.

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Old 04-27-2013, 01:20 PM   #834
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I'm not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure holding your breath doesn't stop your heart from beating.
I'm not a doctor, either, but I *did* stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, so I assure you there is no possible way he could've held his breath to pretend to be dead with a giant freakin' spear sticking out of his chest.

I'm positive that either the rumor is altogether wrong, or else the "sources" only got a small bit of the real information, and that there's no way in hell Joss Whedon would let such a lame deus ex pass by, when there's plenty of other possible explanations for Coulson's return to a super-powered universe.

By the way: I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. That was an outright lie, and I'm going to go to hell for it. Sorry.

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Even in non-sci-fi series, people come up with better explanations for how people appear to be dead (eg neurotoxins, people being trained to lower their heart rate/ given drugs to do that, actually allowing someone to die for a few minutes and then reviving them etc). It's been done hundreds of times.

Holding your breath and lying still is like something a teenager thought up. At least copy one of these other methods.
This is why I am convinced that /Film either got punked by a source or just pulled that out of their collective rear ends. Joss Whedon has dedicated his career to killing characters and occasionally resurrecting them. Would he write something so stupefyingly stupid? Highly doubtful.


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So according to Whedon, ABC hasn't picked up this series yet? I wonder why they haven't committed to this new series yet.

Whedon might not be privy to ABC's decision-making or he might not be able to confirm that it has been picked up. With as long as he's been playing pilot roulette, he probably doesn't want to jinx it by speaking out of turn or taking anything for granted.

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Maybe it's... just a huge oversimplification. Maybe Fury just ordered the EMT's into silence and had Coulson transported out in a hurry, where they were then able to start patching him up. Or it's the in-universe explanation everyone is given but as the show progresses we start getting hints that something more was going on. Or something.

But I just can't buy "holds his breath and remains perfectly still despite a sucking chest wound" and I don't think Whedon would write something like that and be satisfied with it either.
I agree. I'm hoping they'll go down the LMD route, as I love things being close to the comics.

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The only folks who needed to be fooled into action by Coulson's death were the Avengers. Coulson didn't need to fool the EMT's or doctors, or even Agent Hill.

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The only folks who needed to be fooled into action by Coulson's death were the Avengers. Coulson didn't need to fool the EMT's or doctors, or even Agent Hill.

The supposed spoiler specifically stated that Coulson held his breath in order to fake his death. None of the Avengers even saw his body after he died, so he wasn't holding his breath to fake them out. The only people he would have been trying to fool would have been the medical staff who treated him or handled his body. As any number of us have noted, holding one's breath isn't going to trick trained first responders, doctors or nurses.

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So according to Whedon, ABC hasn't picked up this series yet? I wonder why they haven't committed to this new series yet.
In regards to a pickup, we would know just about as soon as he would. ABC wouldn't officially pick it up without putting the word out.

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I like this little bit of information about the show. To me, it kinda confirmed what I hoped this show would be. After it gets its legs under it and is hopefully successful, they may look to use the show as a way to introduce new characters for their own spinoffs or inclusion in any of the films. Very excited to see this show.

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As soon as anyone pokes him in a certain way, he'd exhale. It seems dumb to have to hold his breath anyway. One could argue why couldn't the medical staff be in on it? Then he wouldn't have to jump through these ridiculous hoops when he's injured.

I would rather he died, even for a few minutes and then they revived him, so that he could face issues of his own mortality.

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I do think there is something to the life model decoy thing. There is going to be more coulson's character, he said that. I still think there is something else about him. I am still gunna trust my gut with the initial thought that he is not human.

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The supposed spoiler specifically stated that Coulson held his breath in order to fake his death. None of the Avengers even saw his body after he died, so he wasn't holding his breath to fake them out. The only people he would have been trying to fool would have been the medical staff who treated him or handled his body. As any number of us have noted, holding one's breath isn't going to trick trained first responders, doctors or nurses.

You missed the unwritten part of what I was saying. Coulson wasn't fooling anyone and those that he could have fooled did not need to be. There is a lot more to this "spoiler" that we don't know as what we do know is rather weak.

It would not surprise me if Coulson says "I was holding my breath" to deflect inquiries into his death (it sounds like a line Coulson would deliver), but as the season progresses we see he was just dodging the question.

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Sounds good, but I'll be happier when it's officially announced by ABC. Hopefully the good things the execs have seen in the pilot don't include Coulson holding his breath, because that would almost be a deal-breaker for me.


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Sounds good, but I'll be happier when it's officially announced by ABC. opefully the good things the execs have seen in the pilot don't include Coulson holding his breath, because that would almost be a deal-breaker for me.
There's no way that's legit, unless it's obvious and piss poor misdirection.

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There's no way that's legit, unless it's obvious and piss poor misdirection.
My first thought when I read that "spoiler" was that the same Marvel source who has been savagely punking El Maybe recently had a go at /Film, too. It sounds like those Planet Hulk and GotG in IM3 rumors -- outrageous but just barely plausible, later turns out to be false.

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I agree. I'm hoping they'll go down the LMD route, as I love things being close to the comics.
I like things being close to comics when they're explained. They haven't explained how SHIELD has robots that can deliver moving speeches, or where the perfectly healthy real Coulson was when the helicarrier was going down and he had something more important to do than go stop Loki. Similarly, if they used the Infinity Formula, or any other macguffins out of the blue - especially those that would have been very useful to SHIELD often but were used nowhere else other than to retcon - to explain away someone's clear death, I'd be pretty miffed. That's bad writing.

Coulson's resurrection deserves something that is thought out and meaningful to the character rather than cut and paste in things from the 616 that clearly don't exist in the MCU.

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I agree, the holding his breath thing is not legit. It makes no sense considering he had a hole in his chest. He likely was near death when Fury saw an opportunity. Had him revived and held in medical so he could use the fake death as a way to push the Avengers into action.

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