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I still say it was a LMD. We only saw him do the retinal scan to get into the high security vault, we didn't see what exactly was taken out of it.
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Coulson was not alive and well on the Helicarrier bridge in the last scene. That was a different black-suited SHIELD agent walking through. There are stills of him floating about that show clearly that he was played by a different actor. Also, if that had been Coulson, Agent Hill would have at least done a double-take when he passed her since she thought he was dead.
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I'm not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure holding your breath doesn't stop your heart from beating.
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This would be harder to swallow than an LMD or zombification, if holding his breath is the explanation Whedon used. That's why I don't buy the spoiler. It's just too amateurish. By the way, Clark Gregg posted this on Twitter: Quote:
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Maybe it's... just a huge oversimplification. Maybe Fury just ordered the EMT's into silence and had Coulson transported out in a hurry, where they were then able to start patching him up. Or it's the in-universe explanation everyone is given but as the show progresses we start getting hints that something more was going on. Or something.
But I just can't buy "holds his breath and remains perfectly still despite a sucking chest wound" and I don't think Whedon would write something like that and be satisfied with it either.
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Even in non-sci-fi series, people come up with better explanations for how people appear to be dead (eg neurotoxins, people being trained to lower their heart rate/ given drugs to do that, actually allowing someone to die for a few minutes and then reviving them etc). It's been done hundreds of times.
Holding your breath and lying still is like something a teenager thought up. At least copy one of these other methods.
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So according to Whedon, ABC hasn't picked up this series yet? I wonder why they haven't committed to this new series yet.
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I'm positive that either the rumor is altogether wrong, or else the "sources" only got a small bit of the real information, and that there's no way in hell Joss Whedon would let such a lame deus ex pass by, when there's plenty of other possible explanations for Coulson's return to a super-powered universe. By the way: I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. That was an outright lie, and I'm going to go to hell for it. Sorry.
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Whedon might not be privy to ABC's decision-making or he might not be able to confirm that it has been picked up. With as long as he's been playing pilot roulette, he probably doesn't want to jinx it by speaking out of turn or taking anything for granted.
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The only folks who needed to be fooled into action by Coulson's death were the Avengers. Coulson didn't need to fool the EMT's or doctors, or even Agent Hill.
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The supposed spoiler specifically stated that Coulson held his breath in order to fake his death. None of the Avengers even saw his body after he died, so he wasn't holding his breath to fake them out. The only people he would have been trying to fool would have been the medical staff who treated him or handled his body. As any number of us have noted, holding one's breath isn't going to trick trained first responders, doctors or nurses.
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In regards to a pickup, we would know just about as soon as he would. ABC wouldn't officially pick it up without putting the word out.
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As soon as anyone pokes him in a certain way, he'd exhale. It seems dumb to have to hold his breath anyway. One could argue why couldn't the medical staff be in on it? Then he wouldn't have to jump through these ridiculous hoops when he's injured.
I would rather he died, even for a few minutes and then they revived him, so that he could face issues of his own mortality.
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I do think there is something to the life model decoy thing. There is going to be more coulson's character, he said that. I still think there is something else about him. I am still gunna trust my gut with the initial thought that he is not human.
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You missed the unwritten part of what I was saying. Coulson wasn't fooling anyone and those that he could have fooled did not need to be. There is a lot more to this "spoiler" that we don't know as what we do know is rather weak. It would not surprise me if Coulson says "I was holding my breath" to deflect inquiries into his death (it sounds like a line Coulson would deliver), but as the season progresses we see he was just dodging the question. |
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Link for that Deadline article: http://www.deadline.com/2013/04/prim...2/#more-484921
Sounds good, but I'll be happier when it's officially announced by ABC. Hopefully the good things the execs have seen in the pilot don't include Coulson holding his breath, because that would almost be a deal-breaker for me. ![]()
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There's no way that's legit, unless it's obvious and piss poor misdirection.
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My first thought when I read that "spoiler" was that the same Marvel source who has been savagely punking El Maybe recently had a go at /Film, too. It sounds like those Planet Hulk and GotG in IM3 rumors -- outrageous but just barely plausible, later turns out to be false.
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Marvel: y u no like our scoops?
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Coulson's resurrection deserves something that is thought out and meaningful to the character rather than cut and paste in things from the 616 that clearly don't exist in the MCU.
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I agree, the holding his breath thing is not legit. It makes no sense considering he had a hole in his chest. He likely was near death when Fury saw an opportunity. Had him revived and held in medical so he could use the fake death as a way to push the Avengers into action.
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