The Winter Soldier Thread

[BullMcGiveny]

Originally Posted by Hawkingbird

I hope it's not the knock to the head deal again.

Yeah.

If it happens, it'll be stupid. I doubt the Winter Soldier, spending decades doing all sorts of superspy fighting, never got a blow to the head.

At a guess, I'd say that seeing Steve again might make him start remembering things. Or maybe not. Maybe they just capture him and SHIELD has psychiatrists de-brainwash him.

[CastlesInTheAir]

Lol that would make for good comedy though.

*BUMP*
Winter Soldier: Wait a minute... I remember who I am! I'm Bu-
*WHACK*
Winter Soldier: Ughhh... where am I? WHO am I?

[metaphysician]

Originally Posted by xeno000

In the comics, the original Cosmic Cube (aka Tesseract) was created by AIM's scientists and used by the Red Skull in his various schemes. Hawkeye recruited a group of rogue scientists to work on the Tesseract in The Avengers, and they could well have been members of AIM. (HYDRA is a less likely possibility because the group Clint and Selvig were working with were from a variety of ethnicities, which would be anathema to the Nazi affiliated villains.)


With that background in mind, it would make perfect sense if AIM succeeded in creating (or recreating) the Tesseract in CA: TWS.

I don't think that, sixty years later, HYDRA would still care about Nazi racial ideology. Sure, no explicit evidence, but its not like Red Skull overly cared about such, himself.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by metaphysician

I don't think that, sixty years later, HYDRA would still care about Nazi racial ideology. Sure, no explicit evidence, but its not like Red Skull overly cared about such, himself.

Are you talking comic books, or movies? Because comic book HYDRA and Red Skull practically worship Nazi racial ideology.

If HYDRA is reborn in the MCU, or has continued to exist in "sleeper cells" since WWII, I'd think that their original ideology would be the motivating factor for bringing them into the 21st century.

[Webfoot Hero]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Are you talking comic books, or movies? Because comic book HYDRA and Red Skull practically worship Nazi racial ideology.

If HYDRA is reborn in the MCU, or has continued to exist in "sleeper cells" since WWII, I'd think that their original ideology would be the motivating factor for bringing them into the 21st century.

In the MCU, Red Skull did say something along the lines of him no longer fitting Hitler's ideas of human or Aryan perfection. That would lead me to believe that MCU HYDRA maybe wouldn't be so hard-up on keeping racial purity.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Originally Posted by BullMcGiveny

Yes.

That gives me a modicum of hope, actually. No other writers have been asked to return for a sequel, so the fact that they are, and are being entrusted with another franchise, is a little encouraging.

Well they handled the Narnia movies pretty well, the first one anyway, but the second wasn't too bad either (Haven't seen Voyage yet). Based on those films I can understand why Marvel got them. The films they've written have all been very well structured.

[Hunter Rider]

I am loving the look they have gone for.

[cherokeesam]

If they keep that look in the concept art, then the domino mask *is* definitely there, beneath his goggles.

Also, since they keep the red star on his bionic arm, I'm thinking that it's becoming a lot clearer that they're sticking to the comics as far as WS' handlers --- i.e., (former) Soviets.

[Webfoot Hero]

Are we sure he has a domino mask underneath? I keep thinking it's just a part of his goggles.

[DN91]

Originally Posted by Webfoot Hero

Are we sure he has a domino mask underneath? I keep thinking it's just a part of his goggles.

I'm thinking it's the rims of his cool-as-heck goggles, not his domino mask.

[Mr. Dent]

Originally Posted by Webfoot Hero

Are we sure he has a domino mask underneath? I keep thinking it's just a part of his goggles.

It is.

[Silvermoth]

The Winter Soldier looks awesome but I'm surprised they haven't cast General Lukin. I would have thought he would be a pretty important character to include, way more than Crossbones or whatever. Maybe they just haven't announced it yet or they're keeping it a secret?

Or maybe they're worried a character like that might offend the Russians. Kind of a shame because I don't really see the Winter Soldier, Crossbones or Batroc as major puppeteers type villains, more like goons.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by DN91

I'm thinking it's the rims of his cool-as-heck goggles, not his domino mask.

Why would goggles have two sets of rims?

The rims are plainly visible there as silver/white/metallic. Then there's black, that extends up into diamond points *beneath* that....like a domino mask. Y'know --- the domino mask from the comic book?

[BullMcGiveny]

Originally Posted by Silvermoth

The Winter Soldier looks awesome but I'm surprised they haven't cast General Lukin. I would have thought he would be a pretty important character to include, way more than Crossbones or whatever. Maybe they just haven't announced it yet or they're keeping it a secret?

Or maybe they're worried a character like that might offend the Russians. Kind of a shame because I don't really see the Winter Soldier, Crossbones or Batroc as major puppeteers type villains, more like goons.

I think the cold war angle will be only brushed briefly.

On the other hand, I do wonder if Alexander Lukin is going to turn out to be the true identity of Alexander Pierce. Perhaps Lukin spent decades as an agent of SHIELD while secretly having an agenda of his own.

[LuisTX85]

Great concept art and I like the look!

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Originally Posted by Hunter Rider

I am loving the look they have gone for.

Really Cool!

[bunk]

They'll be shooting the Teddy Roosevelt bridge in D.C. on Sunday. Sounds like it will probably just be aerial shots.

[Quasimod0]

I like the look. Looks exactly like the winter soldier I know, but with a mask. So I'm actually cool with it

[Silvermoth]

Originally Posted by BullMcGiveny

I think the cold war angle will be only brushed briefly.

On the other hand, I do wonder if Alexander Lukin is going to turn out to be the true identity of Alexander Pierce. Perhaps Lukin spent decades as an agent of SHIELD while secretly having an agenda of his own.

That...is a very good idea. Plus it fits the cold war espionage theme. Who do you trust etc. Very le Carre.

[DN91]

I hope we get a shout out to the original Winter Soldier comic story with the "Who the hell is Bucky?" line.

[herolee10]

I'm actually wondering though on how they'll present Winter Soldier being someone that can go toe to toe with Rogers since I don't think Bucky was given anything special that gave him the same type of physical attributes that Steve got from the SS and that alone makes Roger stronger than most regular human beings.

[cph9fa]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Why would goggles have two sets of rims?

The rims are plainly visible there as silver/white/metallic. Then there's black, that extends up into diamond points *beneath* that....like a domino mask. Y'know --- the domino mask from the comic book?

I was thinking the silver part was the rigid frame, and the black was a soft rubber cup around the edge. Like swimming goggles have.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by BullMcGiveny

I think the cold war angle will be only brushed briefly.

On the other hand, I do wonder if Alexander Lukin is going to turn out to be the true identity of Alexander Pierce. Perhaps Lukin spent decades as an agent of SHIELD while secretly having an agenda of his own.

Holy crap.
That's a genius idea.

Could also explain why there hasn't been a real "frontrunner" for WS' puppet master. And given Marvel Studios' propensity for hiring Oscar-caliber actors for their villains, Redford makes a lot of sense.

[psylockolussus]

I can't wait to see Sebastian Stan. I think he's quite attractive and hot!

[peterparker0077]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Holy crap.
That's a genius idea.

Could also explain why there hasn't been a real "frontrunner" for WS' puppet master. And given Marvel Studios' propensity for hiring Oscar-caliber actors for their villains, Redford makes a lot of sense.

yep, i have been thinking this since they cast him and we heard of Fury's angle in the film. Posted it a while back.