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Old 05-03-2013, 11:16 AM   #101
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I certainly hope not.
Same, he's the first villain that made me feel like MoE could work. Red Skull led Hydra but it was because he was a megalomaniac who basically started a cult. Mandarin is smarter than that, and can likely unionize and manipulate other villains, such as Abomination, into a functioning group without letting ego get too in the way.

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Old 05-03-2013, 11:47 AM   #102
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The story depicts Killian as the phantom menace

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Old 05-03-2013, 12:44 PM   #103
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Guy Pierece was great in this movie. I find him to be the best villain out of the Iron Man movies so far.

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Old 05-03-2013, 01:07 PM   #104
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Guy Pierece was great in this movie. I find him to be the best villain out of the Iron Man movies so far.
Same.

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Old 05-03-2013, 01:17 PM   #105
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Guy Pierece was great in this movie. I find him to be the best villain out of the Iron Man movies so far.
I agree, which isn't saying much because the other villains from this series were pretty weak. Stane was good, but ultimately nothing more than a hero-fights-his-mentor story that we've seen dozens of times before. Plus, the Iron Man vs. Iron Monger fight was one of the worst ending action sequences of all the Marvel movies. Same goes for the final action sequence in IM2.

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Old 05-03-2013, 01:21 PM   #106
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I disagree completely. To me, Stane is still the best Iron Man villain in the franchise.

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Old 05-03-2013, 01:23 PM   #107
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Stane is still the best villain in the franchise, but Killian is right up there as a close second. Both Pearce and Bridges knew exactly what type of movie it was and had fun with their roles, and it shows off big time in both characters.

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Old 05-03-2013, 01:25 PM   #108
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I disagree completely. To me, Stane is still the best Iron Man villain in the franchise.
For me, the biggest attraction to Stane is that he was played by Jeff Bridges. That guy could've starred in Beverly Hills Chihuahua and the film would've been elevated to new heights. But overall, the hero/villain dynamic in the first IM was pretty standard.

To me, Stane was way more fun to watch when he wasn't Iron Monger.

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Old 05-03-2013, 01:28 PM   #109
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I disagree completely. To me, Stane is still the best Iron Man villain in the franchise.
Seconded. Stane was just more intimidating, played with more class, and his story of being the inner threat, the snake in the grass who you thought was one of Tony's closest friends who turned out to be his worst enemy, was much more compelling than Vanko's or Killian's stories.

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Old 05-03-2013, 01:30 PM   #110
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Vanko was just a waste. Had great potential, but ultimately, IM2 was too much of a mess to use him properly. And again, there was a final fight sequence (against another villain in a bigger suit) that lasted all of 30 seconds. Shame.

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Guy Pearce was Brilliant in this. He was a really Scary Villain.

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Old 05-04-2013, 09:19 AM   #112
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The Mandarin was less memorable than Stane in my opinion, but again in my opinion he was a more interesting character. And by The Mandarin I'm not refering to Ben Kingsley. I'm not entirely refering to Guy Pearce either. I'm talking about both.

When you think about it, Ben Kingsley's The Mandarin (as in, the fictional character of the videos, not Trevor Slattery) is Aldrich Killian's crysalide much like the Iron Man Armor is Tony Stark's. Both characters show conflicts between the 'Armor personalities' and the 'naked ones'.

The (fake) Mandarin should be considered part of Killian's character. One way or the other, Aldrich created it. It's a non-subtle Supervillain and 'the face of terror' what he had in mind, contrary to his 'naked' persona who still prefered to hide in the shadows much like in he did in Bern all those years ago. Was said creation a parody of Supervillains? Maybe, but I think that him yelling 'I am the Mandarin' was him accepting the fact that he wants to be a non-subtle Supervillain, that he's tired of hiding in the shadows and wants to be the face of terror.

This parallels Stark's journey during the film in which he doesn't know if he's the 'Armored identity' or the 'naked' one (much like Killian, Stark thinks he depends on his 'armor').

In the end both armors are scrapped but both characters accept said part of their identities as part of themselves. Killian loses the face but he's still The Mandarin. Stark loses his toys but he'll always be Iron Man.

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Old 05-04-2013, 09:28 AM   #113
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The Mandarin was less memorable than Stane in my opinion, but again in my opinion he was a more interesting character. And by The Mandarin I'm not refering to Ben Kingsley. I'm not entirely refering to Guy Pearce either. I'm talking about both.

When you think about it, Ben Kingsley's The Mandarin (as in, the fictional character of the videos, not Trevor Slattery) is Aldrich Killian's crysalide much like the Iron Man Armor is Tony Stark's. Both characters show conflicts between the 'Armor personalities' and the 'naked ones'.

The (fake) Mandarin should be considered part of Killian's character. One way or the other, Aldrich created it. It's a non-subtle Supervillain and 'the face of terror' what he had in mind, contrary to his 'naked' persona who still prefered to hide in the shadows much like in he did in Bern all those years ago. Was said creation a parody of Supervillains? Maybe, but I think that him yelling 'I am the Mandarin' was him accepting the fact that he wants to be a non-subtle Supervillain, that he's tired of hiding in the shadows and wants to be the face of terror.

This parallels Stark's journey during the film in which he doesn't know if he's the 'Armored identity' or the 'naked' one (much like Killian, Stark thinks he depends on his 'armor').

In the end both armors are scrapped but both characters accept said part of their identities as part of themselves. Killian loses the face but he's still The Mandarin. Stark loses his toys but he'll always be Iron Man.
Great post.

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Old 05-04-2013, 10:08 AM   #114
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The Mandarin was less memorable than Stane in my opinion, but again in my opinion he was a more interesting character. And by The Mandarin I'm not refering to Ben Kingsley. I'm not entirely refering to Guy Pearce either. I'm talking about both.

When you think about it, Ben Kingsley's The Mandarin (as in, the fictional character of the videos, not Trevor Slattery) is Aldrich Killian's crysalide much like the Iron Man Armor is Tony Stark's. Both characters show conflicts between the 'Armor personalities' and the 'naked ones'.

The (fake) Mandarin should be considered part of Killian's character. One way or the other, Aldrich created it. It's a non-subtle Supervillain and 'the face of terror' what he had in mind, contrary to his 'naked' persona who still prefered to hide in the shadows much like in he did in Bern all those years ago. Was said creation a parody of Supervillains? Maybe, but I think that him yelling 'I am the Mandarin' was him accepting the fact that he wants to be a non-subtle Supervillain, that he's tired of hiding in the shadows and wants to be the face of terror.

This parallels Stark's journey during the film in which he doesn't know if he's the 'Armored identity' or the 'naked' one (much like Killian, Stark thinks he depends on his 'armor').

In the end both armors are scrapped but both characters accept said part of their identities as part of themselves. Killian loses the face but he's still The Mandarin. Stark loses his toys but he'll always be Iron Man.
Okay, this logic makes me hope that Killian *did* survive, and comes back to lead the Masters of Evil in Avengers 2. . .

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Old 05-04-2013, 10:11 AM   #115
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I thought the character of Killian was awful and the attempt to make him "The Mandarin" was downright laughable. But I love seeing my man Pearce in movies so I celebrate anytime he is in a role

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They didn't make Killian "The Mandarin", he screamed he was "The Mandarin" because he was the man behind the terror...not the man himself.

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Old 05-04-2013, 11:32 PM   #117
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Pretty much, yeah. But Palpatine concocted phantom villains for the Republic to chase after in order to divert them from his rise to political power; Killian creates his patsy just to divert attention away from his Extremis research "setbacks."

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Okay, this logic makes me hope that Killian *did* survive, and comes back to lead the Masters of Evil in Avengers 2. . .
It wouldn't surprise me if he returned. Probably not as the leader, but as part of the villain combo for Avengers 2? Yeah, it could happen.

Might even have some magic rings. It seems like the evil genius behind all this likes to dole out the alien hardware (see Loki in Avengers).

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The Mandarin was less memorable than Stane in my opinion

I liked Obi maybe even more than Mandarin and Killian, but I don't think he's more memorable than Mandarin or Trevor, certainly not in the long run.


People can say what they will about the twist whether they liked it or not, but this whole deal with Mandarin will never be forgotten. It seems to be infamous. This is a first for a comic book movie. There's never been anything like this before.

And Ben Kingsley's performance in either role is simply unforgettable.


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Old 05-05-2013, 01:17 PM   #120
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Okay, so is the fire breathing like a "steam release" so he doesn't overheat?

BTW, I thought it was awesome when he did that. There were some gasps from the audience during that part, like "wtf?".

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I love how Guy Pearce plays a various versions of Killian.

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1) The nerdy/awkward
2) Suave
3) Evil Genius
4) Insane

versions of one man through the film. Obviously Pearce is having a ball with the roll, cause he got to play it in so many different fields.

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Old 05-05-2013, 02:31 PM   #122
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Yeah, and he never went over-the-top with any of them. In the hands of a lesser actor, any one of those could've been awful and/or cheesy.

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Old 05-05-2013, 03:09 PM   #123
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I actually felt really bad for him in the 1999 scene and was kinda' glad he cured himself and probably got laid by a lot of chicks after that.

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Got just back from seeing the movie, and I was left with one major question: what, exactly, is Killian's connection to the Ten Rings, the terrorist organization that kidnapped Tony in the first film? The Mandarin broadcasts very clearly use a "ten rings" symbol. Was Killian co-opting the symbol of the organization and hoping no one would notice, was Killian involved in Tony's kidnapping in the first film, or did he become involved with the Ten Rings somehow at some point between 2008 and 2012?

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Old 05-05-2013, 10:13 PM   #125
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I honestly don't know. I think they hinted at it, but they never really outwardly mention it.

Anyway, I really hope Killian isn't dead. He could be the Norman Osborn of the MCU if he isn't.

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