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1.Having the series of protypes allowed for errors and unexpected problems to occur, making Tony vulnerable. 2. Depowering him raises tensions and makes stakes higher. 3. Rhodey having a smaller part keeps the story focused and helps too keep from star wars prequel style desensitizing the audience to the suits, keeping them cool and exciting. When you see War Machine or Iron Man on screen you know ****s going down. 4. Having him spend less time in the suit makes it much more rewarding when he finally is Iron Man again. It's part of what made Spider-Man 2 work so well, you spend the movie frustrated that he's not up to full speed then when he finally is it's satisfying instead of expected. 5. This is the only one that Pepper beat, the last one Tony walked her through and allowed himself to potentially be sacrificed inorder to stop. This isn't necessarily a bad thing because there was build up between Killian and Pepper, not to mention it shows how vital she is to Tony. The only problem I had with the film was how it kind of copped out of the conflict with saving the president or Pepper by having her body just accept the extremis injection with no explanation. Other than that I was never a big Iron Man fan before the films and I wasn't previously invested in the Mandarin so I didn't mind the reveal. I know some have complained about the toilet joke in his reveal but I thought it worked well to contradict the calculating, articulate, and cruel persona he was given in his televised threats. Plus I like the message it sends by making Killian the villain about the true evils in the world just being greedy individuals rather than over the top extremists. |
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I think the twist would have worked better near the end of the third act...
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The film was a good movie. It really was. Great action. Great visuals. Great performances.
It just wasn't the Iron Man 3 that I had wanted to see. So, that's on me, I guess... Little continuity things like there being no "IRON MAN 3" title that smacks down with a clang (as in the first two films) was just a miss. What was with the Tropic Thunder-style end credits? Not having even ONE RIFF of the main theme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5riyajbsq0 bothered me. This theme is PERFECT Iron Man, and this film just felt a little TOO far from its predecessors for me. This was a contributing factor. I'm not someone who says "too much of the alter-ego I want more super hero!" I don't care that the majority of the film was Tony out of the suite (and a lot of the action was the same). But I do wish that the times that we see Iron Man on screen that it was actually Tony in the suit and not just remote controlling it. Those moments were letdowns. There's no sense of peril or danger when you look back at it knowing that. The humor didn't bother me, but there were one or two instances where they went for levity when the moment should have been dire -- those moments suffered. Now, let's get tot he Mandarin. This is just -- I knew it was going to happen. I never said a word about it before I saw the film, thinking, "I'll give it a shot, see how it plays out." Well, the shot's been given; I watched it play out. I was not happy with it. Maybe that's because from the trailers and TV spots I could tell that Ben Kingsley was going to turn in a Heath Ledger, Tom Hardy, Tom Hiddleston and Michael Fassbender as far as epic, villain performances go in comic book films. Needless to say, I loved everything about what he was doing. The cadence to his speech, the booming sound, the words themselves. It was just so unique, scary, charismatic and intriguing all at once. Once I found out about the twist, I let those thoughts go. I was disappointed, but as I said, I would wait and see. When I saw, I was unimpressed. First, I felt that the twist happened far too early in the film. The Mandarin (as Kingsley) only had about 3 scenes. Only on where he wasn't in a pirated broadcast. We never get to see him act (in character) against Iron Man. We don't get THAT moment. I also don't recall hearing some of his best dialogue from the trailers, "heroes... there is no such thing" and "I'm going to offer you a choice. Do you want an empty life, or a meaningful death?" These, to my recollection, weren't in the film. If we had gotten these scenes -- and a scene where we have Kingsley'd Mandarin (in character) boasting, and "teaching" Iron Man or Tony while he is at the Mandarin's mercy -- I think I could have gotten past the twist. The approach they took ended up silly and trite. It cut the legs out of a great threat. Killian, I had no problem with, really. He was a very good villain. And that's my point. Killian could have held a movie with the Extremis soldiers entirely on his own. And Kingsley's version of the Mandarin could have done the exact same. So, knowing that Iron Man doesn't have a deep bench, why would they take two of Stark's best villains and not only put them into the same film, but combine them into the SAME CHARACTER? It just doesn't make sense to me. I feel like we could have gotten two, very solid movies with these two villains. Bottom line, they made the best version of the movie that they set out to make -- but I feel like the movie I wanted to see, the movie that I feel like the marketing promised, would have been better. There was a lot that I liked about this film. I do want to see it more to make a full opinion -- but this was the first film in a long time that I just sat there when it was over, not knowing what to think. I haven't been so amped for a movie only to be letdown in a very long time. Maybe since X3: The Last Stand or Spider-man 3 (but I do think Iron Man 3 is a better FILM than both of those movies). It was just...disappointing. And I wanted so much not to be the whole time I was watching. -R
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but can anybody amswwr my queation. if tony had Ll those extra suits then why sidn't they come to his aid when his house was blown up?
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An easy explanation is they take a significant amount of time to power up. I'd buy that.
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ok, apparently it's just me, but I didn't care one bit for the ASM cameo. It just felt like he was there to show his face and not really a part of the story, no matter how briefly, I know that's just nitpicking but it fell flat to me
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95% of Stan Lee's cameos have nothing to do with the story. Iron Man 3's is a classic example.
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i'll have to watch the movie again but it didnt seem to take them too much time to power up and fly from Malibu to Miami
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I think his best cameo was in FF
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The best guess would be that because they got caught off guard there wasn't enough time to prep the suits. The reason they weren't able to reach him until the final act was because of the rubble, so I'm guessing even if he wanted them the rubble and the collapsing house would cause some trouble for them to get out.
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Um wow. That's all of Stan's cameos
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When he is the postman William Lumpkin?
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You're right that was a good one. But I really enjoyed Stan being completely oblivious to the destruction of the library, my audience were cracking up.
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i dunno having him as WL made the cameo a bit more personal as he speaks to characters he created
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Which is true. That cameo must hold special meaning to the fans who actually knew who the character is (like me).
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Personally my favourite was in TIH, simple but really nice. |
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Ok, after a 2nd viewing today with family this time, I liked the movie a lot more. The mandarin twist definitely is easy accepted on a 2nd viewing. I still have these complaints:
1. Pepper vs Killian 2. None of Iron Mans armors capable of defeating Killian. 3. Arc Reactor-less Tony |
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I just didn't like that the small subtle references to the mandarin in Ironman 1 & 2, never were mentioned in Ironman 3.
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I think the Spider-Man 3 is easily his best, bar none.
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I didn't like the following things in the movie.
1. Way too much Tony/Rhodey/Pepper kicking butt, not nearly enough Iron Man and Iron Patriot kicking butt. 2. All that crap with the Mandarin. 3. Armors getting destroyed so easily. 4. Tony remote controlling the armors to do most of the fighting for him. 5. Tony/Iron Man not being the one to defeat/take down the main bad guy. 6. Tony pulling a GUNDAM WING:ENDLESS WALTZ and destroying all of his armor. |
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Mandarin
Pepper killing Killian The ending resolution being so quick |
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*Pacing was a little slow and just didn't feel right.
*Mandrin; the twist and use of the Mandrin was not that well done. *The whole fire breathing human reanimated, blow up and heated up ppl just didn't fit right in the movie imo. This was the main issue with me. *Clean Slate; I actually kind of liked this and the removal of the shrapnel and arc. It's kind of ending this IM trilogy. Will he have the arc for Avengers? To me it doesn't matter that much. *Pepper getting some powers at end and killing the bad guy, it was okay I guess. I'd rather Tony do it, but whatever. Overall it wasn't a bad movie I thought it on par with the first two. |
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